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and good morning from Philadelphia good

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morning Frank

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how are you today James are you there

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still yeah I'm here from Westchester New

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York how's everybody doing great okay we

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got Rob Freeman who's just come coming

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out with a new documentary making

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contact be inspired and thanks for

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joining us Rob and James take it away

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yeah for for anybody in the c-5

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community I think you know Rob has not

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made a big splash yet but he is slowly

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coming up there I mean I only heard of

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you Rob just a few months ago believe it

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or not you know we have a mutual friend

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you know he usually remains in a very

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skeptical side and he's a very serious

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researcher on Charles I would butcher

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his last name if I try to say you know

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I'm talking about way more yeah yeah and

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he was going to a c5 event and I was

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like what yes yes we put on a fabulous

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ce-5 event in Joshua Tree California and

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I think I sent you some of the pictures

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of some of the things we've got we had a

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lot of different people there we had

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Paola Harris and it was really a two

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pronged event it was really for CD 5

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making contact in the evening and we

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were out for up to 8 hours every night

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from 8 o'clock until well really about

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3:00 some of us 4:00 in the morning

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Paula Harris was there we had Leon

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Valverde there he has quite a group in

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the Spanish contingent we had the

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National Director of MUFON Canada's do

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Bundy he came out we had his chief

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investigator also there coming out and a

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few other people and it was quite a

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fabulous week we saw we saw a lot of

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things in the sky we debunked several of

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them we had this I guess you'd say it

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was a drone it was circulating off in

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the distance circulating around and

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around around we didn't see it live but

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we wouldn't playback the time-lapse

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photography we could see it was going

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around and around and around we don't

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know if they were just watching us or if

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they were just protecting one of the

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nearby bases and then we had a lot of

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flares happening you know some people

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might call them a cd5 event but you know

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when we actually look close at the

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night-vision photographs and video we

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could see planes that were dropping

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these off and they were just flares ever

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lasting for a few seconds so you know

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typically flares lasts a lot longer than

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that so maybe they're just trying to

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mess us up a bit we don't know we did

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have a couple of events happen we had

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kind of like an orb go right across the

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sky and it it blinked out it came on and

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it blinked out and it was kind of like a

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reddish orange we had all the equipment

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facing it and photographing and videoing

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it but we didn't capture it which was

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odd and yeah yeah you know that in this

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phenomenon there's so many strange

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things that happen we'd only think we

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can figure is that with the time-lapse

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equipment I had a head of running for 30

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seconds and then in the Sony camera it

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it processes for two and a half seconds

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between each shot so it appears that

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this orb went across the sky during that

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two and a half second because trying to

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document the stuff is not easy at all

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you can have the best equipment I mean

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look at a you know even with mids trying

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to do work on the skinwalker ranch even

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if that's easy and other other

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phenomenon as well but that when you're

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talking about high strangeness it's not

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easy to document back to how you got

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into all this because even for me I you

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know I've been in this for about a

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decade now and you seem to come out of

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nowhere and your project just looks

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amazing super quality and I'm

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the the the energy behind it look some

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looks great I mean the the Integrity's

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definitely seems to be there so long

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once you take us back into how you got

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into this alright also I Rob if you

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could tell the folks so where they can

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look at the trailer over on YouTube

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great sure okay my personal YouTube

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channel is Rob Freeman atmospheric

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anomalies and you'll see the trailer

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there and the name of our project is MCB

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I project comm so it's making contact be

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inspired but it's just short if you type

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in M as in mother M CBI project comm so

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that's like the making contact the

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inspired project and you'll see all

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kinds of things there including all our

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past expeditions that we've done on our

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own there's tons of them and we've got

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photo montages and little stories there

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so see all that on the internet but how

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it all started was when I was a kid of

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12 years old lived in Sarnia Ontario

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that's just across the river from Port

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here in Michigan right at the bottom of

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Lake Sharon I was 12 years old and I was

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in scouts and the one Monday night it

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was back in March of 1966 my mom had

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said you know when you're done Scouts

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just to give me a call I'll be along in

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15 minutes to pick you up but go outside

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they have to lock the church up because

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it's like you know 9:30 at night so I

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gave her a call she said I'll be along

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and I went outside and these kids that

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were outside on the street said hey

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mister there's a helicopter up in the

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sky I don't know why they called me

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mister I was only 12 years old but I

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guess with my hat my tie my shiny shoes

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unless it looked like a mr. to them but

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anyway I looked up and I saw this light

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and I stayed it for you know 15 20

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seconds and I told the kids this is not

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a helicopter they asked me what it was

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and I said I don't know and I kept

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watching it and the kids they you know

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they were playing where they finally

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disappeared and it was going from the

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north to the south slowly and it seemed

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to be up at about eight hundred to a

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thousand feet from what I could figure

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and every time it came and changed

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directions it did it in the blink of an

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eye and that was what kind of raised the

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hair upon my arm was wait a second

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anything that I know of has to come to a

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stop or at least go in an arc in order

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to change directions anything physical

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but this this did not do that and you

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know this is back in 1966 so I was

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watching it all by myself and every time

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it changed direction it was getting

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lower and lower and now it's up at about

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mm 600 feet I would say and I could make

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out more detail that and it appeared to

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have like I'm gonna call it this light

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that I saw appeared now to be more like

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a lens in the bottom of this whatever it

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was and then what really spooked me out

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was I could see figures moving behind us

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and I thought oh is this the UFO you

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know and back then they called them

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flying saucers I thought is this a

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flying saucer and it was really during

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the big Michigan flap of 1966 and so

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this kind of spilled over into Ontario

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Canada and I thought you know I was sort

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of interested in these things I read

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about them my member I got a book out of

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the library and and I was interested but

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I thought oh I'm actually now into an

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encounter I didn't really ask for this

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and it appeared to me I felt like I was

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being stalked that it was watching me

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and I could feel the hair go up on my

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arm more and I was getting kind of

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nervous and I'm kind of praying and

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hoping my mom will get there pretty soon

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and just then she showed up and now my

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scared mr. nin too excitement and I said

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hey mom you gotta go the car and see

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this UFO and she said oh don't be silly

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Rob you got homework to do let's go home

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I said no no get out of the car and so

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I'm kind of fighting with her here for

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about 30 seconds and finally I got her

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to get out of the car and we both looked

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up in the sky and it was gone and I got

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great and I'm a liar now I'm this guy

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that's made up this whole story so we're

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kind of pretty quiet on the way home

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because I knew she was

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thinking that I just imagined this whole

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thing so I wasn't happy I get home

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I'd say what happened to my dad and my

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brother and everybody just laughed so I

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just sighs went to my room and did my

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homework and went to bed and that was

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the end of it but the next day after

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school when I walked in the door my mom

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was all excited and she opened up the

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newspaper she's Rob Rob look it's all in

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the paper what you saw last night and I

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thought there is a God after all and I

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was validated and and it was all over

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the front page of the newspaper and it

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got into detail about how they on the

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second page had got into detail about

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how the Selfridge Air Force Base in

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Michigan and Selfridge Michigan right

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across the river and just down maybe I

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don't know 10 15 miles down the river

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they had sent up two jets fighters after

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this thing and it just took off at a

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high rate of speed and left them in

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their dust left them in the dust so you

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know they had interviews with police

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officers on the Canadian side they they

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were talking with a boat well there was

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200 people that saw it on Sarnia and

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they had interviews with a lot of the

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people so you know for me that was a

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validation and as a result of that

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newspaper article I've never been afraid

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to talk about things you know a lot of

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people are kind of nervous they'll get

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me to find out her laughed at but

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because it was in the newspaper I was

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validating I'd be kind of came the

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school celebrity about the guy that had

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seen this and so my friend who lived

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right across the street said Rob I'd

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love to see one of these how could we

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see in one so I just kind of on the spot

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I said I don't know maybe if we go on

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the roof of my house we'll see something

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so the next clear night we climbed up

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the antenna it was one of those X like

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triangle things that you can climb up

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with your hands and feet we had a one

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floor home with more of a not a very

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steep roof so we went up there with our

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blankets pillows binoculars

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walkie-talkies compass

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tape recorder you know everything notes

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pen paper you know the whole nine yards

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and it's kind of a much cheaper version

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of what I have today and uh we were up

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there about thirty minutes and you know

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we talked about everything we wanted to

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talk about we were getting kind of bored

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and a little bit called and I said to

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him John I don't think we're gonna and

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the second I said went to say see

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anything from the north there was

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hundreds of these white lights that went

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across the sky all the way from the

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north to the south in about a second and

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a half like just they seemed to be in

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the heavens but it was like a flotilla

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that just went from one horizon to the

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other in a second and a half and we're

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just looking to each other it's like

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holy cow do you see that and we can

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already talk and we're saying what was

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it what is it and we didn't know and

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then 30 seconds later this whole

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flotilla went from the south back to the

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north once again the second or second

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and a half so we were pretty excited

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about what we just saw we climbed down

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and we went across to his place where my

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folks were with his folks having coffee

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we tried to tell him the story and they

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just laughed at us and you know kept

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talking and in disgust we went back to

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my place and watch Star Trek I guess so

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you know that was that and I always

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wondered all during my life you know

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was that something government or was

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that truly something extraterrestrial

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yeah I really didn't have any idea and

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it was about four years ago my good

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friend Mark McNab who I did we did a

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couple movies together two or three

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movies children's movies together and

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during one of the breaks where the

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actors are getting their makeup on and

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it's kind of like you know hurry up and

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wait you're sometimes waiting for 20

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minutes while they're getting ready and

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all the people that are sort of present

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on the set you just kind of tell stories

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you know what's going on in your life

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what's happening here what's happening

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there somehow the subject of UFOs came

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up and I told my story and

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we all just moved on to other stories I

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didn't think anything of it anyway six

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months later he came to me we met for

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lunch

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he says Rob were going to go around the

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world and I said what for and he said

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that second time you saw the UFO that

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was not coincidental I said what do you

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mean he said you guys as young

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open-minded budding scientists you guys

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called those in and I said really

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and he said yeah he said I've talked to

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people all over the world and see five

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groups and various different people it

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was no coincidence you guys put the

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intention out there you wanted to see

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something and you did it was no

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coincidence I said really he said yeah

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and he said we're gonna go around the

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world we're going to meet see five

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people we're gonna meet experts we're

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gonna meet people who regularly see

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things in the sky and have experiences

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we're gonna join them out in the field

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we're gonna interview them we're gonna

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make a documentary and I say who's gonna

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pay for it he said you are so we've been

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doing that we it's been over three and a

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half years now and we've had a fantastic

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time it's you know we see a lot of stuff

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and at the beginning everything we saw

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was UFOs nudge-nudge wink-wink you know

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as we got more into it and as we applied

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our own debunking skills and learn how

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to debunk most of the stuff now that we

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see is explainable but there's that five

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maybe ten percent that is not

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explainable for example you know we did

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meet with Charles so you talked about

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earlier we went out to Vancouver we went

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out in the one of the parks with him and

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we did manage to capture some orbs with

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the night vision and with the thermal

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and that was great Charles gets a lot of

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orbs and he sent us on a little trip to

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go up to Britannia Beach

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it was gonna be raining that night so he

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didn't feel like going and and this was

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just last year last July

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like a year ago last July and so we went

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up to Britannia Beach we talked to

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people there and nobody had ever seen

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anything he thought we might see stuff

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around the old abandoned mine there so

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the ladies we met in the gift shop they

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said if you want to see something

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strange go a little bit further north to

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Squamish BC and we travelled in the car

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further we had myself Marcus McNab Liz

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Gore and part of our group and we had

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Breslin Martin one of our she she helps

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me out with an app that I have I have an

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app called project capture which she

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could document stuff it's for iPhone

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anyway we went up to Squamish BC to the

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big rock there and we just had this real

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strong feeling we were gonna see

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something the ladies in the Gift Shop at

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Britannia Bay had said that orbs had

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been seen above that mountain and that's

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a sacred mountain it's like a monolith

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and just go straight up it's quite

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famous and it's it's sacred to the

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natives we found a great spot that

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everybody agreed was where it was gonna

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happen and we just part of WMD weapon of

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mass detection or debunk ssin because

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both of those things are important we

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had it set up but we weren't recording I

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wasn't recording we were just

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chit-chatting and then Breslin looks

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over she said what's that and I looked

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and there was this very bright light

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that was just moving along over the

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mountain so I quickly turned the camera

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set up and I thought which camera will I

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do I thought well I'll do the night

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vision and I hit the night vision and

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because it was moving quickly I thought

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I don't dare take my eye off the screen

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on the night vision if I do to set the

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other cameras recording I'm gonna miss

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it so I only record it with the night

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vision and the sighting was only 10

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seconds long you can hear me say oh

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because we saw it go right into the

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trees and I thought oh my goodness this

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is not this is not an airplane this is

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not the ISS this is truly something

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there

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for it so the video has gone viral we we

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reported it to the newspaper there

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locally we actually set up sighting on

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and move on we reported as a sighting

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they investigated it and validated it as

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unknown in other words it's not

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something terrestrial and it was I think

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it was projected to be something like

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six feet in diameter and you know it

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that that sighting has now gone to

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become the one of the top 13 sightings

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internationally that MUFON has for 2017

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so it's just called the Squamish orb you

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can google it on or just put it in under

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YouTube you can see the video so that

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was a neat thing we got sorry I've now

419
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lost my track guys you know rainy in and

420
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keep you where you want me to go here oh

421
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absolutely

422
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yeah we were just going from you know

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how you started this and where your

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adventure basically is today yeah well

425
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yeah I mean I hear you talking a lot

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about debunking and checking their work

427
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which is a so important in this field

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well especially since now the field is

429
00:20:13,330 --> 00:20:11,389
opening up more and a lot more people

430
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are coming on board and starting cd5

431
00:20:16,749 --> 00:20:15,619
yeah everybody gets the newbie blood and

432
00:20:18,789 --> 00:20:16,759
they jump at everything they see and

433
00:20:20,889 --> 00:20:18,799
they're like oh my god and then you kind

434
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of learn over time oh wait no that's

435
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,600
just that or you know you begin to learn

436
00:20:27,159 --> 00:20:24,799
the sky because when you're first

437
00:20:28,869 --> 00:20:27,169
looking up at the sky it's um you see

438
00:20:31,389 --> 00:20:28,879
all these things and then when you get

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00:20:35,249 --> 00:20:31,399
some field experience you're able to

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discern what you're looking at and and

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so why don't why don't you take us

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00:20:41,649 --> 00:20:38,899
through that process because I think

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that's so important especially for new

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00:20:46,210 --> 00:20:43,940
people getting in this field and you

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know even people who were in the field

446
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and they could you know he's an

447
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educational curve yes now here's one

448
00:20:59,109 --> 00:20:56,480
thing it's very controversial and I'm

449
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just gonna put out what I believe and

450
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based on our research research of others

451
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and it's just my experience

452
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quite often you see flashes in the sky

453
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now you know some might be authentic but

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I think many of them were explained for

455
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example many ce-5 events you know I hear

456
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this term power up and if I hear it one

457
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yeah because well yeah there's the

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Iridium satellites but but you know if

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you go to some of these apps you can see

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hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

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what they call rocket bodies dinner up

462
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there and they're there rotate what that

463
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what app are you talking about just let

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me see if I can take a look here I got I

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got all the apps here but the one in

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particular is called Sky View for iPhone

467
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I don't know if it's available in

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Android but it's called Sky View it kind

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of has the Big Dipper for an icon and it

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has it's just showing the land and a

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tree and it's kind of purplish with

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Apple exclusive but but still yeah it's

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called Sky View and on that it shows

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rocket bodies that are moving and you

475
00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:14,059
can look anywhere in the sky and you see

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them so here's what happens so once the

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Sun Goes Down Rob dead just jump real

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quick rocket bar you talk about

479
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satellites now no rocket bodies these

480
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are rockets that have lines to

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satellites that are still up there space

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junk

483
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okay okay okay and there's thousands of

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them and here's the thing is there

485
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they're turning okay

486
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satellites generally don't turn

487
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satellites are set up so that they send

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their signal with their antenna down to

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earth and they're fixed they can be

490
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moving around the sky in a straight

491
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orbit or they can be geostationary where

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they're they're fixed or higher up and

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they're moving at the same rate that the

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earth is turning so they're fixed okay

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and they're not turning around you do

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have the satellites that are in lower

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Earth orbit which are traveling and

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those can actually hit a point where

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they are they're reflecting the Sun

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maybe later so really have a big sword

501
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yeah exactly

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yeah yeah and so they will you know they

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will kind of like

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and they can light up in a in a bit of a

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kind of come on with a light and then

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they'll slowly go off and you can see

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them going across the sky

508
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you know that's typically what that is

509
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not exclusively I also believe with this

510
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phenomenon you know they hide in plain

511
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sight the phenomena and you get them

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copying satellites you get them you know

513
00:23:46,779 --> 00:23:43,059
they can copy just about anything but

514
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once again 95% of what we see up there

515
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can be explained you know you guys and

516
00:23:55,570 --> 00:23:52,970
me we're interested in that 5% but we

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got to debunk out the other 90% you know

518
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we can't get excited about every little

519
00:24:02,680 --> 00:23:59,260
light that flashes up in the sky but

520
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what happens is the satellites will even

521
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though way the Sun has set on the ground

522
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as you go higher and higher the Sun

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comes back into view so that where the

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00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:11,450
satellites are it can be still in the

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Sun for several hours after sunset so if

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a satellite is going across in its

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reflective surface whether it's the

528
00:24:23,860 --> 00:24:22,100
solar panels happens to reflect the

529
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light the sunlight back at the right

530
00:24:30,370 --> 00:24:27,200
angle you're gonna see it light up okay

531
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,380
so that's one thing to be cognizant of

532
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:32,960
the other is these rocket bodies in this

533
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:36,080
space junk and that's very common and

534
00:24:40,919 --> 00:24:38,450
what will happen is you'll see something

535
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:40,929
flash in the sky everybody gets excited

536
00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:43,850
including many of the ce-5 groups and I

537
00:24:51,070 --> 00:24:48,320
call it a powerup well you know before

538
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:51,080
they start jumping and saying it's an et

539
00:24:57,159 --> 00:24:55,010
you know measure the time like start

540
00:25:00,399 --> 00:24:57,169
your iPhone or your Android and do a

541
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:00,409
time lapse thing and hit start and

542
00:25:05,710 --> 00:25:03,010
measure the time now to the next flash

543
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:05,720
f-stop matter yeah and if it's on a

544
00:25:11,049 --> 00:25:08,450
pattern that's exact then all it likely

545
00:25:13,539 --> 00:25:11,059
is I'm not gonna say 100% but what it

546
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:13,549
likely is is just one of these rocket

547
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:16,970
body is that's turning slowly and every

548
00:25:22,450 --> 00:25:19,010
time it's reflective surface comes

549
00:25:24,279 --> 00:25:22,460
around you're gonna get a flash you know

550
00:25:27,490 --> 00:25:24,289
and this is so annoying because

551
00:25:29,289 --> 00:25:27,500
everybody gets excited and says oh it's

552
00:25:31,659 --> 00:25:29,299
an et flat Anil they'll flash their

553
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:31,669
lasers at ya and ours

554
00:25:36,310 --> 00:25:32,690
if license

555
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:36,320
well it's Rob's on a pattern yeah I you

556
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:38,690
know there's a lot of people who who put

557
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:40,609
up videos now and they say see live

558
00:25:48,369 --> 00:25:44,529
video you know UFO or crafts et crap and

559
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:48,379
you know I I appreciate their effort but

560
00:25:53,229 --> 00:25:51,289
it gets a kind of muddies the waters and

561
00:25:56,229 --> 00:25:53,239
then people and people who are looking

562
00:25:58,029 --> 00:25:56,239
at the video who might be learned in

563
00:25:59,560 --> 00:25:58,039
some of the aerial phenomena they might

564
00:26:03,279 --> 00:25:59,570
say oh well that's just that and I it

565
00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:03,289
kind of brings cv5 down a bit so it it's

566
00:26:08,889 --> 00:26:06,440
so important for anybody that's going to

567
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,899
attempt c5 to learn this kind of stuff

568
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:12,080
no it's just I do want to get back I do

569
00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:14,330
want to get back to this aspect that

570
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:16,070
you're talking about now but what what

571
00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:17,330
are some things that people should look

572
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:21,080
for okay so here's what you really do

573
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:23,450
want to look for and it's all woven in

574
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:26,570
with all the known stuff and the you

575
00:26:30,909 --> 00:26:29,090
know stuff we know you want to look for

576
00:26:33,999 --> 00:26:30,919
lights that are moving across the sky

577
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:34,009
that's slow down or speed up satellites

578
00:26:37,089 --> 00:26:34,970
don't do that

579
00:26:40,210 --> 00:26:37,099
you want to look for a light that

580
00:26:42,339 --> 00:26:40,220
changes direction now you know be very

581
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:42,349
careful if you've got lasers you know

582
00:26:47,739 --> 00:26:44,570
never shine the laser at an object

583
00:26:50,289 --> 00:26:47,749
because it could be a plane and it could

584
00:26:52,239 --> 00:26:50,299
be the fact that you're looking at it at

585
00:26:54,609 --> 00:26:52,249
an angle where you're seeing its landing

586
00:26:57,070 --> 00:26:54,619
lights on and you don't see its

587
00:26:59,349 --> 00:26:57,080
navigational lights yeah so you know

588
00:27:01,419 --> 00:26:59,359
these guys that shine their light at it

589
00:27:02,979 --> 00:27:01,429
saying it's an et are gonna blind the

590
00:27:07,180 --> 00:27:02,989
pilot well first of all you can go to

591
00:27:09,159 --> 00:27:07,190
jail for that okay you know and and in

592
00:27:11,619 --> 00:27:09,169
the States especially you know on some

593
00:27:13,869 --> 00:27:11,629
of these planes they have equipment that

594
00:27:16,330 --> 00:27:13,879
can pinpoint where the laser is coming

595
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,340
from so you know before you even

596
00:27:21,519 --> 00:27:18,799
finished your ce-5 session you might

597
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:21,529
just get you know somebody from the

598
00:27:26,769 --> 00:27:24,830
federal government stopping by to arrest

599
00:27:28,779 --> 00:27:26,779
you so you know don't another mental

600
00:27:30,909 --> 00:27:28,789
block yeah the other man in black so you

601
00:27:32,469 --> 00:27:30,919
know use a circle draw a circle around

602
00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:32,479
it to point it out to your fellow

603
00:27:38,469 --> 00:27:35,720
attendees you know because a lot of guys

604
00:27:40,749 --> 00:27:38,479
are blinking their their lasers at it

605
00:27:42,249 --> 00:27:40,759
and of course it flashes back if it's

606
00:27:44,649 --> 00:27:42,259
one of these rocket bodies and it's

607
00:27:46,090 --> 00:27:44,659
gonna flash back every two seconds or

608
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:46,100
every 10 seconds or

609
00:27:52,299 --> 00:27:48,289
had them flash every 18 seconds for

610
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,309
example and a good point too is like you

611
00:27:57,789 --> 00:27:54,559
say it was an extraterrestrial or ET

612
00:27:59,380 --> 00:27:57,799
craft or a genuine UFO I mean do you

613
00:28:03,640 --> 00:27:59,390
really want to be shining your laser

614
00:28:05,740 --> 00:28:03,650
directly at them that's not I guess you

615
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:05,750
know in the circles we travel in and I'm

616
00:28:11,470 --> 00:28:07,850
sure you do too that it's considered a

617
00:28:14,890 --> 00:28:11,480
bit of a hostile act yeah it's very rude

618
00:28:16,900 --> 00:28:14,900
to the to the whoever it is that's

619
00:28:18,909 --> 00:28:16,910
operating that craft you know it's

620
00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:18,919
considered it's rude it's not it's not

621
00:28:23,860 --> 00:28:20,870
really a good thing to do so just just

622
00:28:28,899 --> 00:28:23,870
put the circle of light around it other

623
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:28,909
things they can do let me think here

624
00:28:34,899 --> 00:28:32,360
there's there's copycats meteors and

625
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:34,909
asteroids and and shooting stars and

626
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:38,570
comets they don't behave in in a way

627
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:40,850
that's consistent with how meteorites

628
00:28:46,570 --> 00:28:44,150
operate and on that one you just have to

629
00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:46,580
spend hours and hours watching and

630
00:28:51,340 --> 00:28:48,860
you'll start to know the difference you

631
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:51,350
know the one we saw in Joshua Tree it

632
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:54,559
just came on went across the sky and it

633
00:28:59,980 --> 00:28:57,020
didn't go as fast as a meteorite would

634
00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,990
go and then it went off and and I just

635
00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:01,490
want to quickly follow up on that one

636
00:29:07,570 --> 00:29:05,240
one of the other fellas also have we all

637
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:07,580
saw that one but then there was another

638
00:29:13,029 --> 00:29:10,370
one a few seconds later that was off to

639
00:29:14,890 --> 00:29:13,039
the right and only he saw that he came

640
00:29:17,710 --> 00:29:14,900
to me after and he said Rob when you

641
00:29:21,159 --> 00:29:17,720
look at your time-lapse see if you can

642
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:21,169
see that that one also so we went to the

643
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:22,970
exact time and I played the time-lapse

644
00:29:29,230 --> 00:29:25,870
back that one was not captured either

645
00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:29,240
the only thing we can surmise is it also

646
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:31,960
it happened to it'll happen to in quotes

647
00:29:36,700 --> 00:29:34,490
happen to show up during that two and a

648
00:29:39,789 --> 00:29:36,710
half second time period between the

649
00:29:41,710 --> 00:29:39,799
thirty second shots and it's like now

650
00:29:45,340 --> 00:29:41,720
come on that's too coincidental to be

651
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:45,350
coincidental yeah yeah you know maybe we

652
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:47,450
can happen once but twice in the same

653
00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:50,210
session you know I don't think so yeah

654
00:29:55,930 --> 00:29:53,960
so you know after a while I think you

655
00:29:57,399 --> 00:29:55,940
know people shouldn't give up like okay

656
00:29:59,140 --> 00:29:57,409
everybody gets excited about seeing

657
00:29:59,740 --> 00:29:59,150
lights in the sky maybe that keeps them

658
00:30:02,800 --> 00:29:59,750
motivated

659
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:02,810
for the first while yes what but I think

660
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:04,730
what will happen is over time you get

661
00:30:08,830 --> 00:30:06,710
bored of seeing the same stuff over and

662
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:08,840
over and over again which you realize is

663
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:11,630
explained but when you really really

664
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,930
spend the time and doing this cd5

665
00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:16,880
protocols and you can do them formally

666
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:19,190
or you can you know really just set the

667
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:21,290
intention personally I don't think it

668
00:30:26,860 --> 00:30:24,830
matters I really don't you know and I

669
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:26,870
might get into a fight with people by

670
00:30:30,190 --> 00:30:28,850
saying that but you know it was my

671
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:30,200
intention that brought them in when I

672
00:30:36,370 --> 00:30:32,330
was a kid and it's still our intention

673
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:36,380
that's doing it today people listening

674
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:38,600
the ce-5 protocols it's like it's like a

675
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:41,750
um like a for dummies guideline it's a

676
00:30:45,340 --> 00:30:43,970
fail-safe if you practice the protocols

677
00:30:47,170 --> 00:30:45,350
it's a great guideline you're gonna

678
00:30:48,970 --> 00:30:47,180
eventually get good at it and kind of go

679
00:30:52,900 --> 00:30:48,980
on your own version of it you know

680
00:30:54,910 --> 00:30:52,910
there's no there's no set thing but they

681
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:54,920
if you have no idea what to do and you

682
00:30:59,560 --> 00:30:56,690
want like a structured way to learn it

683
00:31:01,540 --> 00:30:59,570
go you know it'll help for sure yeah

684
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:01,550
absolutely and I would recommend people

685
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,290
to do it we do do it from time to time

686
00:31:07,660 --> 00:31:05,840
and we get with different groups we we

687
00:31:09,220 --> 00:31:07,670
do it as well with them there is

688
00:31:11,710 --> 00:31:09,230
absolutely nothing wrong with it I think

689
00:31:13,630 --> 00:31:11,720
it's a great way to get started and it's

690
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:13,640
a good thing to do at any time for sure

691
00:31:18,850 --> 00:31:17,120
but I can cite an example here also when

692
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:18,860
we were in Peru we had met the famous

693
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:23,930
Sixto Paz wells he loved yeah we he let

694
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:26,600
us interview him at his home and he said

695
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:28,250
he generally doesn't do that and we

696
00:31:34,230 --> 00:31:31,520
asked him why he did and he said he had

697
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:34,240
received information that we were coming

698
00:31:40,450 --> 00:31:38,690
before we even contacted him and that he

699
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:40,460
felt that it was important that we were

700
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:43,280
doing documentary and that he would

701
00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:45,530
allow us to interview him in his

702
00:31:50,620 --> 00:31:47,420
backyard in the privacy of his own

703
00:31:53,410 --> 00:31:50,630
property so he told us many things that

704
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:53,420
can happen we experienced many of those

705
00:31:59,590 --> 00:31:57,350
things in Peru one of the things we had

706
00:32:03,730 --> 00:31:59,600
happened was we were we were on a

707
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:03,740
mountainside near ruins of the of the

708
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:05,810
steppe farming that the Incas do and so

709
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:08,990
on and we weren't far from a museum

710
00:32:13,210 --> 00:32:12,320
where all the relics were we had gone up

711
00:32:16,029 --> 00:32:13,220
a mountain road

712
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:16,039
where this museum was and it was just

713
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:20,330
closing and we saw another gate that

714
00:32:23,500 --> 00:32:21,679
went further up the mountain and we

715
00:32:26,590 --> 00:32:23,510
walked into the museum and we asked the

716
00:32:28,899 --> 00:32:26,600
guy how could we go up that road we want

717
00:32:31,779 --> 00:32:28,909
a sky watch for several hours tonight

718
00:32:34,060 --> 00:32:31,789
and he said well he said this is our

719
00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:34,070
road and he said it if you pay the

720
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:35,659
entrance and let me give you the tour of

721
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:36,650
the museum

722
00:32:40,090 --> 00:32:38,450
I'll leave the gate open for and you

723
00:32:43,029 --> 00:32:40,100
guys can just stay there and sky watch

724
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:43,039
all night so we we did we paid the money

725
00:32:47,289 --> 00:32:44,809
and that had his tour of the museum and

726
00:32:49,810 --> 00:32:47,299
it was very interesting learning and he

727
00:32:50,980 --> 00:32:49,820
left the gate open we went up high up in

728
00:32:53,620 --> 00:32:50,990
the mountain where there was just

729
00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:53,630
nothing around we could see down to the

730
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:55,750
village below like several miles below

731
00:33:00,820 --> 00:32:58,850
we had a beautiful Vista of the valley

732
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,830
from one end to the other and we thought

733
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:02,480
it was going to be a great spot Sky

734
00:33:08,730 --> 00:33:05,960
Watch and this is you know not I don't

735
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:08,740
know maybe an hour out of cuzco peru i

736
00:33:14,260 --> 00:33:11,690
had all my sky watching equipment set up

737
00:33:16,659 --> 00:33:14,270
now i've got thermal which is far

738
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:16,669
infrared i've got near infrared which is

739
00:33:21,850 --> 00:33:18,470
the green night vision I've got both

740
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:21,860
near and far like telescopic and plus

741
00:33:27,340 --> 00:33:24,850
wide-angle as well and I've got the

742
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:27,350
telescopic thermal the black and white

743
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:29,929
thermal which measures heat and produces

744
00:33:34,779 --> 00:33:31,610
images and I've got the wide-angle

745
00:33:37,930 --> 00:33:34,789
thermal I've got the full-spectrum

746
00:33:39,310 --> 00:33:37,940
cameras which captures from ultraviolet

747
00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:39,320
through the visible through to

748
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:41,750
near-infrared and then I've got just

749
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:45,650
regular visible as well I had it all set

750
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:46,130
up

751
00:33:54,970 --> 00:33:51,770
watching for a while I says you know

752
00:33:56,830 --> 00:33:54,980
what let's I really feel strongly that

753
00:33:59,919 --> 00:33:56,840
we're gonna make personal contact here

754
00:34:01,360 --> 00:33:59,929
let's just put equipment away now this

755
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:01,370
is a hundred thousand dollars worth of

756
00:34:04,750 --> 00:34:01,970
equipment

757
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:04,760
I just shut it down I packed it up I put

758
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:08,450
it away we did a meditation we did our

759
00:34:14,879 --> 00:34:10,609
own form of cd5 protocols we did a

760
00:34:17,859 --> 00:34:14,889
meditation after we were done we just

761
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,869
Marcus he took his iPhone and he says

762
00:34:21,879 --> 00:34:20,000
Rob you know I'm just gonna take my

763
00:34:23,619 --> 00:34:21,889
iPhone and start taking random pictures

764
00:34:25,810 --> 00:34:23,629
up in this guy remember we did that in

765
00:34:27,300 --> 00:34:25,820
Australia he said and we got some

766
00:34:29,530 --> 00:34:27,310
interesting things showing

767
00:34:31,240 --> 00:34:29,540
so you know I put all the expensive

768
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:31,250
equipment away and we've got our simple

769
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:32,720
iPhones out I said well I'm gonna do the

770
00:34:39,850 --> 00:34:37,040
same thing so we turned our we turn them

771
00:34:42,580 --> 00:34:39,860
on automatic I guess and so that they

772
00:34:45,159 --> 00:34:42,590
would flash or not flash depending but

773
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:45,169
it was it was pitch black this guy we

774
00:34:50,530 --> 00:34:48,169
couldn't see each other so the first

775
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:50,540
three pictures I took I thought it was

776
00:34:55,389 --> 00:34:53,020
strange because my flash did not go off

777
00:34:58,240 --> 00:34:55,399
but I didn't think any more of it and I

778
00:35:00,280 --> 00:34:58,250
took another 80 pictures just you know

779
00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:00,290
up in the sky up at about a 45 degree

780
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:04,460
angle 30 to 45 degree angle and when we

781
00:35:09,190 --> 00:35:06,410
were done I noticed that there was

782
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:09,200
lightning happening not far away from us

783
00:35:12,370 --> 00:35:11,270
and I said you know what we better just

784
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:12,380
pack up we're high up on the mountain

785
00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:15,290
we're kinda got the car there it's metal

786
00:35:20,050 --> 00:35:17,900
we've got you know my tripod was still

787
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,060
sitting there we got metal around us we

788
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:22,880
better just get out of here so we didn't

789
00:35:26,980 --> 00:35:25,370
review the pictures we just packed we

790
00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:26,990
put stuff in the car with that out of

791
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:28,340
there and we actually went through a

792
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:29,990
storm on our way back to where we were

793
00:35:37,020 --> 00:35:34,370
staying in cusco the next day we were in

794
00:35:39,430 --> 00:35:37,030
transit to Machu Picchu the famous

795
00:35:42,370 --> 00:35:39,440
village you know Incan village up to the

796
00:35:46,180 --> 00:35:42,380
mountains and then the following day we

797
00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:46,190
went to Machu Picchu and we did the

798
00:35:50,110 --> 00:35:48,110
Machu Picchu like we climbed up the

799
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:50,120
mountain next to Machu Picchu it's up in

800
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,510
the clouds that night because much Beach

801
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:56,240
you closed at 5:00 that night I had some

802
00:35:59,680 --> 00:35:58,130
time to kill so I thought oh this is a

803
00:36:02,890 --> 00:35:59,690
great opportunity to look through all my

804
00:36:05,470 --> 00:36:02,900
pictures from Cusco Wow

805
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:05,480
the very second picture I looked at is

806
00:36:13,180 --> 00:36:09,050
that picture that I sent you James it's

807
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:13,190
kind of a purplish blue craft with a

808
00:36:19,690 --> 00:36:16,730
huge amount of detail on it and I

809
00:36:21,670 --> 00:36:19,700
thought oh my god what is this and I

810
00:36:25,930 --> 00:36:21,680
immediately sent it by text to Marcus

811
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:25,940
and Liz and they're like Rob WTF right

812
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:27,680
and I said yeah I know

813
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:29,810
and they said what is it I said I don't

814
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:33,410
know but it was the second photo and

815
00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:35,450
when I put it on my computer and blew it

816
00:36:41,319 --> 00:36:37,190
up and I right click to get the

817
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:41,329
information it said that the flash was

818
00:36:46,180 --> 00:36:43,130
like it's disabled in other words there

819
00:36:49,329 --> 00:36:46,190
was enough light present that the flash

820
00:36:51,130 --> 00:36:49,339
didn't go off and I had oh that's why in

821
00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:51,140
the first three pictures my flash didn't

822
00:36:57,999 --> 00:36:55,150
go off now why didn't we see it well

823
00:37:00,549 --> 00:36:58,009
okay it was quite bright in the picture

824
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:00,559
on my iPhone but if you look it's kind

825
00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:04,729
of a purplish blue color and for those

826
00:37:10,779 --> 00:37:07,660
that don't know they don't use expensive

827
00:37:14,229 --> 00:37:10,789
optical filters in the iPhones and in

828
00:37:17,769 --> 00:37:14,239
these smartphone cameras basically they

829
00:37:18,729 --> 00:37:17,779
use a cheap filter and it does not get

830
00:37:21,849 --> 00:37:18,739
all the eye

831
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:21,859
I or like infrared light and ultraviolet

832
00:37:26,499 --> 00:37:24,140
light doesn't screen it all out you can

833
00:37:29,650 --> 00:37:26,509
actually take pictures with your iPhone

834
00:37:31,299 --> 00:37:29,660
and get down into the ultraviolet

835
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:31,309
spectrum a little bit and into the

836
00:37:36,549 --> 00:37:33,470
infrared spectrum little bit which is

837
00:37:39,309 --> 00:37:36,559
quite amazing if anybody wants to test

838
00:37:42,309 --> 00:37:39,319
this and especially with your front face

839
00:37:44,859 --> 00:37:42,319
camera just take your TV remote and

840
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:44,869
press any one of the buttons and shine

841
00:37:50,529 --> 00:37:47,630
that led into your camera and you'll see

842
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:50,539
it light up and then also press the

843
00:37:54,279 --> 00:37:52,700
buttons and look at the remote the LED

844
00:37:56,229 --> 00:37:54,289
with your eye and you will not see it

845
00:37:59,380 --> 00:37:56,239
light up so that's how you can prove

846
00:38:03,579 --> 00:37:59,390
that you can see infrared with your

847
00:38:07,630 --> 00:38:03,589
cameras so the only thing I can surmise

848
00:38:08,859 --> 00:38:07,640
is this was in the ultraviolet spectrum

849
00:38:11,650 --> 00:38:08,869
that's why we didn't see it with our

850
00:38:14,259 --> 00:38:11,660
eyes but it's it's very deep it's a very

851
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,269
detailed picture if you want to use that

852
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:16,880
as one of the thumbnails for this you're

853
00:38:23,049 --> 00:38:20,089
you're welcome to do that Rob I think I

854
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:23,059
might have it up now I I'm not a hundred

855
00:38:29,049 --> 00:38:25,369
percent sure right now what I've got up

856
00:38:30,370 --> 00:38:29,059
is a picture it looks like the Sun sort

857
00:38:32,469 --> 00:38:30,380
of setting in the background you're

858
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:32,479
looking up a hill and you can see it

859
00:38:37,209 --> 00:38:34,670
looks like some camera gear silhouetted

860
00:38:41,950 --> 00:38:37,219
and then there's a tree and it looks

861
00:38:45,579 --> 00:38:41,960
like it's all lit up okay this photo is

862
00:38:47,229 --> 00:38:45,589
only of that craft I know I sent it to

863
00:38:51,370 --> 00:38:47,239
you early in our conversation on

864
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:51,380
messenger I can send it to you right now

865
00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:53,509
again if you'd like yeah yeah what's

866
00:38:59,440 --> 00:38:54,580
that let's do that

867
00:39:01,390 --> 00:38:59,450
okay yeah I'm not sure I've got a few

868
00:39:04,780 --> 00:39:01,400
pictures here that yeah scrolling

869
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:04,790
through but yeah let me save up to you

870
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:07,250
right now I'm on the group I'm on the

871
00:39:14,020 --> 00:39:10,700
group message right now and I'm just

872
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:14,030
pulling up favorites and I will just

873
00:39:18,970 --> 00:39:16,850
find it real quickly for you here it is

874
00:39:22,060 --> 00:39:18,980
and I'll send it okay

875
00:39:25,390 --> 00:39:22,070
it's that one right there it's now sent

876
00:39:26,170 --> 00:39:25,400
okay got it okay that's the one that's

877
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:26,180
the one right there

878
00:39:30,670 --> 00:39:28,730
oh this one okay got it all right on a

879
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:30,680
sec I will save that now yeah why don't

880
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:32,210
dad why don't you continue and then

881
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:35,210
within the oh I'll jump back in and let

882
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:39,170
you know yeah yes so we did not see that

883
00:39:44,500 --> 00:39:42,380
in life that was one that I randomly got

884
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:44,510
but it was the very second picture and

885
00:39:48,190 --> 00:39:46,850
it was once again it was after having a

886
00:39:51,970 --> 00:39:48,200
strong feeling we were gonna make

887
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:51,980
contact now we estimate that that's a

888
00:39:58,030 --> 00:39:55,430
blow-up the original picture I will send

889
00:39:59,530 --> 00:39:58,040
you that with fun as well like that that

890
00:40:04,480 --> 00:39:59,540
is an original picture but it's a

891
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,490
blow-up okay the actual photo we feel

892
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:07,520
that that craft or whatever it is was

893
00:40:14,050 --> 00:40:10,190
probably about 300 feet away from us and

894
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:14,060
here is the actual original one I'm just

895
00:40:20,260 --> 00:40:15,530
sending it through the group group

896
00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:20,270
message and of course okay okay there it

897
00:40:25,810 --> 00:40:23,360
goes it's just sending out we feel it's

898
00:40:28,450 --> 00:40:25,820
about 300 feet away but I didn't see it

899
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:28,460
till two days later and only because the

900
00:40:33,940 --> 00:40:30,530
iPhone caught it we didn't see it with

901
00:40:35,770 --> 00:40:33,950
her eyes but also okay I've got to pick

902
00:40:37,300 --> 00:40:35,780
up now I've got the picture up that one

903
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:37,310
picture up now let me get the second one

904
00:40:43,930 --> 00:40:39,530
okay sorry about that yeah that's no

905
00:40:47,230 --> 00:40:43,940
problem I would encourage people this

906
00:40:48,910 --> 00:40:47,240
opens up a huge field for people if

907
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:48,920
they're doing ce-5 this is really

908
00:40:54,250 --> 00:40:51,890
important almost nobody does this we

909
00:40:56,260 --> 00:40:54,260
discovered this in Australia the group

910
00:41:00,010 --> 00:40:56,270
down there encouraged us to take

911
00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:00,020
pictures around the group with or

912
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:03,260
without flashes up in the air with and

913
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:06,140
without flashes but they encourage you

914
00:41:09,850 --> 00:41:08,030
to take two or even three

915
00:41:13,450 --> 00:41:09,860
then reposition so you can use as a

916
00:41:15,670 --> 00:41:13,460
control picture for example you know

917
00:41:18,100 --> 00:41:15,680
point your iphone up make sure your

918
00:41:20,020 --> 00:41:18,110
flashes off and take three pictures in a

919
00:41:23,590 --> 00:41:20,030
row at least two and then move it to

920
00:41:25,180 --> 00:41:23,600
another spot take two and do not move

921
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,190
your camera when you're taking the photo

922
00:41:30,220 --> 00:41:27,440
move it to the position keep it still

923
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:30,230
and take two photos and if I could make

924
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:33,050
another recommendation because the

925
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:35,060
iPhone is very bad at focusing in the

926
00:41:42,220 --> 00:41:38,690
dark it won't focus in the dark before

927
00:41:45,370 --> 00:41:42,230
you take your pictures aim for example

928
00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:45,380
if I was up on that hill again might

929
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:47,360
happen to focus okay but a lot of times

930
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:50,450
it won't what I would do now is I would

931
00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:53,000
move the camera down the point it down

932
00:41:57,880 --> 00:41:55,100
the valley to the streetlights way down

933
00:41:59,920 --> 00:41:57,890
the town below press and hold the screen

934
00:42:04,240 --> 00:41:59,930
until it locks the focus and exposure

935
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:04,250
and then leave it locked and now start

936
00:42:09,340 --> 00:42:06,170
taking your pictures so that you'll have

937
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:09,350
your iPhone or your Android focused on

938
00:42:16,060 --> 00:42:12,920
infinity and whatever you get will be in

939
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:16,070
focus now okay so I would really

940
00:42:20,350 --> 00:42:17,810
encourage people to do that when they

941
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:20,360
practice ce-5 and especially if they see

942
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,170
a flashed up in the sky I'll get into

943
00:42:30,220 --> 00:42:27,080
what we had happen in Joshua tree around

944
00:42:32,020 --> 00:42:30,230
this in a minute but you know that's

945
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:32,030
where you're gonna see some really neat

946
00:42:36,910 --> 00:42:34,190
things happen because your phone will

947
00:42:39,570 --> 00:42:36,920
pick up in infrared and it will pick up

948
00:42:44,140 --> 00:42:39,580
an ultraviolet and I swear that these

949
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:44,150
you know et crafts are quite often you

950
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:46,670
know cloaked they're not seen in visible

951
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:48,890
light they're only seen in ultraviolet

952
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:52,400
or infrared but my phone picked it up

953
00:42:59,050 --> 00:42:56,450
and that's 100% real it's authentic I've

954
00:43:02,080 --> 00:42:59,060
googled that picture using Google Image

955
00:43:04,060 --> 00:43:02,090
Search and there's not a single picture

956
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:04,070
on the face of this earth that matches

957
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:08,960
that I've done five image search engines

958
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:10,850
and put that image and every one of them

959
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:13,970
and it comes back no results found

960
00:43:19,870 --> 00:43:18,050
so that image and we use that for our

961
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:19,880
logo too by the way part of one of our

962
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:21,480
logos we use that image

963
00:43:28,630 --> 00:43:26,010
different version of it but it's it's

964
00:43:31,310 --> 00:43:28,640
something that C fibers can do

965
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:31,320
especially when there's been if

966
00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:32,970
somebody's very sensitive in the group

967
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:36,510
and senses the presence of something

968
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:39,450
around them whether it's et beings or

969
00:43:46,070 --> 00:43:42,090
other and by the way people should

970
00:43:47,810 --> 00:43:46,080
always say it with their mouth that they

971
00:43:50,570 --> 00:43:47,820
want to connect with beings of a higher

972
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:50,580
benevolent nature we have never

973
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:52,440
connected with beings of a lower nature

974
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:55,470
but you know some people say they exist

975
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:57,330
I don't want anything to do with it if

976
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:59,280
there is kind of like you know the

977
00:44:03,020 --> 00:44:00,720
bigger cities you know where the bad

978
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:03,030
areas are and you should just stay away

979
00:44:09,820 --> 00:44:06,420
from those areas you know I don't know

980
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,830
if there's et beings of a lesser lower

981
00:44:14,900 --> 00:44:12,240
malevolent nature's people say there are

982
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,910
I don't want to connect with those and I

983
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,680
encourage other people not to try to

984
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:18,480
connect with those try to connect with a

985
00:44:25,100 --> 00:44:22,380
higher being so just state it when

986
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:25,110
you're doing a c5 protocol that you you

987
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:26,850
believe and that you only want to

988
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:29,070
connect with higher beings you know I

989
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:34,020
just mentioned that also yeah but so

990
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,680
using this camera technique you know if

991
00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:39,300
people feel that there's something

992
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:42,120
around them or if somebody maybe see

993
00:44:46,940 --> 00:44:44,070
something in the sky get the cameras out

994
00:44:49,370 --> 00:44:46,950
and just go nuts just take pictures we

995
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:49,380
we did that in Joshua Tree

996
00:44:57,740 --> 00:44:53,760
we had one flash only and the flash

997
00:44:59,420 --> 00:44:57,750
lasted was a little bit different than

998
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,430
what might be considered a rocket body

999
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,400
or satellite I I said to the group that

1000
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,680
was present around our circle Isis okay

1001
00:45:08,450 --> 00:45:06,000
everybody get their phone out and

1002
00:45:11,210 --> 00:45:08,460
started taking pictures with no flash

1003
00:45:15,130 --> 00:45:11,220
and James I sent you a series of

1004
00:45:17,870 --> 00:45:15,140
pictures that we got in Joshua Tree and

1005
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:17,880
typically an iPhone if you take a

1006
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:20,040
picture in the dark it will use a 1/4

1007
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:24,570
second exposure so anything that happens

1008
00:45:29,060 --> 00:45:26,430
during that one second is going to be

1009
00:45:31,460 --> 00:45:29,070
recorded on the screen of your phone so

1010
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,470
we've got several pictures where it

1011
00:45:35,660 --> 00:45:33,300
looks like I guess you could call it

1012
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:35,670
like a pearl string string upper

1013
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:39,240
and we determined that there was two

1014
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:41,970
sets of things happening there was one

1015
00:45:47,150 --> 00:45:45,060
set of things flashing at 45 times a

1016
00:45:49,460 --> 00:45:47,160
second and then there was another

1017
00:45:51,490 --> 00:45:49,470
phenomenon that was flashing at 90 times

1018
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:51,500
a second so what it does is it creates

1019
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:56,250
if it's moving across your screen or if

1020
00:46:02,900 --> 00:45:58,950
your phone is moving when you happen to

1021
00:46:05,060 --> 00:46:02,910
take the the exposure you're gonna get a

1022
00:46:06,980 --> 00:46:05,070
string of pearl effect because if

1023
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:06,990
something's flashing at 45 times in a

1024
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:09,810
second and it's moving then it will

1025
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:12,810
paint a string of pearls across the

1026
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:16,110
frame of your camera yes if you had like

1027
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:18,450
an expenditure and there's a plane or

1028
00:46:21,170 --> 00:46:19,890
something golden bottle bead along but

1029
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:21,180
you're saying this is happening within

1030
00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:22,710
such a short period of time

1031
00:46:27,530 --> 00:46:25,710
yes creating this effect yeah no I sent

1032
00:46:28,700 --> 00:46:27,540
you several those pictures I can send

1033
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:28,710
them again with a group message right

1034
00:46:35,930 --> 00:46:32,330
now if you like but we didn't see those

1035
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:35,940
once again when we you know and five

1036
00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:38,720
people of our group got different

1037
00:46:44,810 --> 00:46:41,790
pictures but they're all different they

1038
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:44,820
all seem to get a different object and

1039
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:46,950
I've got the one which would call the

1040
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:50,490
gold ribbon there's there's one that was

1041
00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:54,330
green and it just seems to they're like

1042
00:46:58,310 --> 00:46:56,040
a string of pearls it's flashing on and

1043
00:47:00,530 --> 00:46:58,320
off and we got one where when you do a

1044
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:00,540
close-up there appeared to be three

1045
00:47:07,790 --> 00:47:04,500
lights in each flash so what is it

1046
00:47:10,850 --> 00:47:07,800
I have no idea but I know it's not a

1047
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:10,860
plane because when we did that there

1048
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:14,730
weren't any planes present I have no

1049
00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:17,130
idea what it is but there's they're

1050
00:47:22,820 --> 00:47:21,120
being seen by our phones and because

1051
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:22,830
because they use cheap filters in the

1052
00:47:28,070 --> 00:47:25,890
phones it's wonderful for city 5 people

1053
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,080
they can use their phone as a tool and

1054
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:30,240
then they can get away from these

1055
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:33,330
power-ups that they believe are ret

1056
00:47:37,580 --> 00:47:35,820
craft flashing em yeah not not to say

1057
00:47:39,740 --> 00:47:37,590
that some of these power-ups aren't

1058
00:47:43,580 --> 00:47:39,750
legitimate yes

1059
00:47:47,810 --> 00:47:43,590
it does happen where yes it does flash

1060
00:47:48,620 --> 00:47:47,820
back at you with a irregular pattern but

1061
00:47:50,930 --> 00:47:48,630
90

1062
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:50,940
percent of the time it's these so-called

1063
00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:54,630
power-ups are just these rocket bodies

1064
00:48:00,260 --> 00:47:56,730
or space junk that's that's turning

1065
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:00,270
around at a rate and it flashes at an

1066
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:04,800
exact interval you know and so that's

1067
00:48:09,980 --> 00:48:08,040
you know that's not likely ET yeah one

1068
00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:09,990
thing I like to use as a rule of thumb

1069
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:13,470
is you see something and you use your

1070
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:16,170
intention to then ask that object to do

1071
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:18,810
something anomalous and it does then

1072
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,940
that's then you have something otherwise

1073
00:48:27,620 --> 00:48:22,800
I you know what you can almost mark it

1074
00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:27,630
off yeah and you know again for people

1075
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,430
that are first getting into ce-5 it's

1076
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:31,020
exciting to see all these things of this

1077
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:32,550
guy because you know you haven't noticed

1078
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,220
those things before so it's a normal and

1079
00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:37,440
natural thing to think that they're you

1080
00:48:42,650 --> 00:48:40,470
know ET craft but over time people will

1081
00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:42,660
discern more and more and more and more

1082
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:45,750
and they want to see more than just the

1083
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:47,490
garden-variety flashes in the sky

1084
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,490
they'll get bored of that and they you

1085
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:52,380
know and that's where you know people

1086
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:54,960
will get more into ce-5 protocols into

1087
00:49:01,010 --> 00:48:58,050
meditation and actually have a

1088
00:49:04,550 --> 00:49:01,020
connection with this phenomena and

1089
00:49:07,370 --> 00:49:04,560
actually be able to call it in not

1090
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:07,380
necessarily every time but you know

1091
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:08,880
there would be a high chance that you

1092
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:10,440
can call them in like when we were on

1093
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:12,660
the slopes of the mountain near Cusco

1094
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:15,210
and we really believed we could feel it

1095
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:17,670
that we were gonna capture something and

1096
00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:20,640
we did but when we were in Squamish BC

1097
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:23,580
we all felt it that we were going to

1098
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:25,560
connect with something and we did and

1099
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:28,530
and I can tell you that literally now

1100
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:31,170
when we get those strong feelings it's

1101
00:49:35,810 --> 00:49:33,900
almost a hundred percent yeah yeah I

1102
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:35,820
think I think there's something to that

1103
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:37,650
because the same thing with me if I'm

1104
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:39,420
starting and I know I kind of feel like

1105
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:41,850
I don't have a strong feeling for

1106
00:49:46,910 --> 00:49:43,920
tonight it usually is not an eventful

1107
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:46,920
night but I'll go into it and on another

1108
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:49,320
night and I'm like this is that I feel

1109
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:50,610
already before I even start my

1110
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:52,800
meditation and long the whole that's

1111
00:49:59,090 --> 00:49:55,850
it's a very active active night yes and

1112
00:50:02,120 --> 00:49:59,100
to that I remember you know when we

1113
00:50:04,249 --> 00:50:02,130
started in 2015 I did go on at Greer

1114
00:50:10,220 --> 00:50:04,259
expedition and I realize you know dr.

1115
00:50:12,410 --> 00:50:10,230
Greer is very controversial and you know

1116
00:50:14,690 --> 00:50:12,420
I won't get into that here too much but

1117
00:50:16,759 --> 00:50:14,700
I can say that I did go on the

1118
00:50:21,410 --> 00:50:16,769
expedition with him and a group of 25

1119
00:50:23,950 --> 00:50:21,420
people and I can say that there were

1120
00:50:29,539 --> 00:50:23,960
several legitimate things that happened

1121
00:50:31,579 --> 00:50:29,549
for example during the meditation one of

1122
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:31,589
the people in the meditation got a

1123
00:50:37,220 --> 00:50:34,140
message that at 11:11 p.m. that night

1124
00:50:41,690 --> 00:50:37,230
there was going to be a quote visitation

1125
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:41,700
and when 11 p.m. came up dr. Greer

1126
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:45,150
called a break and he said you know

1127
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:46,650
there's been a message and if people

1128
00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:48,690
want to stay and see what happens that's

1129
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:50,430
great or if you want to go back to the

1130
00:50:55,970 --> 00:50:53,160
to the retreat and it's just up the path

1131
00:50:57,769 --> 00:50:55,980
you know a few hundred feet to freshen

1132
00:51:00,170 --> 00:50:57,779
up and have a you know something to

1133
00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:00,180
drink or whatever and lower the bathroom

1134
00:51:06,259 --> 00:51:03,329
whatever so half the group left and I

1135
00:51:09,259 --> 00:51:06,269
thought no way I'm staying if somebody

1136
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,269
in the group has called this maybe it's

1137
00:51:12,910 --> 00:51:11,400
false maybe it's true I want to I want

1138
00:51:16,339 --> 00:51:12,920
to see it for myself

1139
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:16,349
so at exactly eleven eleven like we were

1140
00:51:20,359 --> 00:51:18,150
still in the circle those that were left

1141
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:20,369
and we were just chit-chatting waiting

1142
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:21,990
for the others to come back after the

1143
00:51:28,849 --> 00:51:25,440
pause after the break but at exactly 11

1144
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:28,859
11 I was looking over towards Steven

1145
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:31,170
Greer and above his head at about ten

1146
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:33,450
five to ten degrees up in the sky that

1147
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,630
was a moonless night I saw a light and I

1148
00:51:41,089 --> 00:51:38,640
was the one that found it and as I

1149
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:41,099
looked and strained my eyes I could see

1150
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:43,559
it was moving in a corkscrew motion in

1151
00:51:48,259 --> 00:51:45,930
other words it was going around was

1152
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:48,269
going from right to left and it was

1153
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:50,490
going up into the sky but in a corkscrew

1154
00:51:56,839 --> 00:51:54,420
motion and a helix or whatever and I

1155
00:51:59,539 --> 00:51:56,849
quickly pointed it out to the group and

1156
00:52:02,990 --> 00:51:59,549
Greer stood up and he said yes that's

1157
00:52:05,660 --> 00:52:03,000
that's an ET craft and one of the guys

1158
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:05,670
in the group cam he rushed over to his

1159
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:07,940
camera that was on the tripod and set a

1160
00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:12,450
20 second exposure and after he got the

1161
00:52:15,740 --> 00:52:14,730
twenty seconds he reviewed it and he

1162
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:15,750
came over

1163
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:17,850
we're and everybody who was huddled

1164
00:52:21,950 --> 00:52:21,090
around and he showed it in the screen to

1165
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:21,960
everybody

1166
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:24,930
specifically the dr. Greer and I quickly

1167
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:27,990
hit the record on my iPhone and recorded

1168
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:30,180
I was leading over a great shoulder and

1169
00:52:36,700 --> 00:52:33,210
I recorded the screen of this camera and

1170
00:52:42,050 --> 00:52:36,710
I have that video on YouTube it's called

1171
00:52:45,110 --> 00:52:42,060
what is it spiral craft Durango Greer

1172
00:52:48,170 --> 00:52:45,120
expedition great durango colorado if

1173
00:52:51,230 --> 00:52:48,180
anybody searches that they'll see dr.

1174
00:52:54,530 --> 00:52:51,240
Greer talking about that craft and that

1175
00:52:57,770 --> 00:52:54,540
is 100% legitimate also I saw it spiral

1176
00:52:59,690 --> 00:52:57,780
I also took photos with my camera but I

1177
00:53:03,260 --> 00:52:59,700
had just started into this and mine are

1178
00:53:06,620 --> 00:53:03,270
very bad mine are very bad photos but

1179
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:06,630
cam got a very clear one and it left a

1180
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:09,810
spiral track looks like a spring and it

1181
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:13,050
left a spiral track in the frame in the

1182
00:53:18,740 --> 00:53:15,690
twenty second time lapse now we watched

1183
00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:18,750
it and it went faster and faster until

1184
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:22,350
it disappeared into space so it appeared

1185
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:24,330
to go into another dimension that was

1186
00:53:32,300 --> 00:53:27,330
legitimate and then we had another thing

1187
00:53:36,770 --> 00:53:32,310
happened another night where dr. Greer

1188
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:36,780
said he sensed et beings around us and

1189
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:39,030
he encouraged everybody to take photos

1190
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:40,890
with their cameras but he was very

1191
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:44,370
insistent that nobody used her flash and

1192
00:53:48,110 --> 00:53:46,410
in fact he gets quite upset if you use

1193
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:48,120
your flash because it kills your own

1194
00:53:56,210 --> 00:53:52,800
personal night vision right yeah so he

1195
00:53:59,900 --> 00:53:56,220
gets very upset at people and so nobody

1196
00:54:02,600 --> 00:53:59,910
dare used their flash and

1197
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:02,610
I sent James I sent you those photos

1198
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:06,000
also and he's got this almost like a

1199
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:09,030
table he calls a puja table set up well

1200
00:54:15,050 --> 00:54:11,880
it was pitch black and yet the end of

1201
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:15,060
the table is self lit and it lights up

1202
00:54:20,090 --> 00:54:17,370
what looks like almost like an angel her

1203
00:54:23,150 --> 00:54:20,100
or a lady put with her hand up in the

1204
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:23,160
sky I sent you that photo I can send it

1205
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:27,250
again if you need me to they're not

1206
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:29,770
a hundred percent sure I'll get along if

1207
00:54:35,310 --> 00:54:32,290
it looks familiar a la Papa D yes yes

1208
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:35,320
yes let me just open it up with real

1209
00:54:40,650 --> 00:54:37,530
quick here and we'll send you that one

1210
00:54:46,310 --> 00:54:40,660
give me a second here

1211
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:46,320
close that okay move two favorites here

1212
00:54:56,910 --> 00:54:50,770
and let that open yeah so you don't

1213
00:54:59,910 --> 00:54:56,920
leave everything on your desktop okay so

1214
00:55:03,630 --> 00:54:59,920
the first picture I'm going to send is

1215
00:55:06,810 --> 00:55:03,640
in daylight showing my view across the

1216
00:55:09,180 --> 00:55:06,820
dr. Greer and you see the puja table so

1217
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:09,190
that's the first photo okay there's a

1218
00:55:13,770 --> 00:55:12,310
case that's what it looked like in the

1219
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:13,780
daylight because we start about 8:00

1220
00:55:20,340 --> 00:55:17,170
while it's still daylight okay and then

1221
00:55:24,180 --> 00:55:20,350
this photo here is when he encouraged

1222
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:24,190
everybody to start taking pictures okay

1223
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:26,530
so there's this one now and you see it

1224
00:55:34,050 --> 00:55:31,630
lit up and it's self lit and then there

1225
00:55:38,690 --> 00:55:34,060
is I'm gonna send you a blow-up of it

1226
00:55:45,810 --> 00:55:38,700
and I'm just hoping my favorites again

1227
00:55:50,970 --> 00:55:45,820
this is a blow-up of it right here and

1228
00:55:52,740 --> 00:55:50,980
then I'll send you I have to open up the

1229
00:55:56,850 --> 00:55:52,750
favorites every time it's it's a pain

1230
00:56:01,380 --> 00:55:56,860
with the messenger program here here is

1231
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:01,390
now a real close-up picture now you know

1232
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:03,250
everybody that sees that said well that

1233
00:56:08,130 --> 00:56:05,050
looks like the woman she's holding

1234
00:56:10,530 --> 00:56:08,140
something up to the sky and other people

1235
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:10,540
have said to me what's that on her back

1236
00:56:16,500 --> 00:56:14,170
is that wings now don't know all I know

1237
00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:16,510
is we did not see anything with our eyes

1238
00:56:23,820 --> 00:56:21,460
this was caught with a camera and once

1239
00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:23,830
again even regular cameras depending on

1240
00:56:31,110 --> 00:56:26,820
the make and model use use really good

1241
00:56:32,670 --> 00:56:31,120
visible only pass filters or they're not

1242
00:56:34,620 --> 00:56:32,680
so good and they pass a little bit of

1243
00:56:36,180 --> 00:56:34,630
ultraviolet or infrared depends on the

1244
00:56:38,430 --> 00:56:36,190
camera some are better than others but

1245
00:56:40,890 --> 00:56:38,440
for sure iPhones are really really bad

1246
00:56:42,450 --> 00:56:40,900
for having for a low

1247
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:42,460
more than visible light to pass through

1248
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:44,890
but being really bad it's really good

1249
00:56:50,130 --> 00:56:48,310
for CD five okay now I'm gonna send you

1250
00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:50,140
another picture and this is when you

1251
00:57:02,730 --> 00:56:53,620
lighten up the picture and you'll be

1252
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:02,740
able to see that in fact I need to find

1253
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:22,570
it Rob you're breaking up look you can

1254
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:26,740
sign it hold my phone up higher I'm

1255
00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:28,690
gonna stand over by the window here okay

1256
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:31,540
now you sound better okay okay and if I

1257
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:34,570
stand on one foot and hold my arm up

1258
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:37,450
that will be better or two uh no no you

1259
00:57:41,790 --> 00:57:39,010
you were fine you were fine okay fine

1260
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:41,800
all along up until just for the last

1261
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:44,770
time minute or so okay probably sending

1262
00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:48,250
all these photos kills the signal okay

1263
00:57:52,530 --> 00:57:50,590
do you see do you see that image and if

1264
00:57:55,140 --> 00:57:52,540
you look at it carefully that light is

1265
00:58:00,090 --> 00:57:55,150
actually projected onto the front of a

1266
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:00,100
girl that's kneeling there that's the

1267
00:58:05,100 --> 00:58:03,130
very last photo I said just tap on it

1268
00:58:07,110 --> 00:58:05,110
and blow it up a little bit and you'll

1269
00:58:10,620 --> 00:58:07,120
actually see the girl's head and her

1270
00:58:13,410 --> 00:58:10,630
shoulder and she's kneeling and that

1271
00:58:16,500 --> 00:58:13,420
light of what looks like a beat being is

1272
00:58:19,020 --> 00:58:16,510
bridge is projected onto her it's

1273
00:58:21,450 --> 00:58:19,030
actually thought onto her arm and stuff

1274
00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:21,460
okay let's see here now

1275
00:58:27,450 --> 00:58:24,040
what I've got up now is that the last

1276
00:58:29,970 --> 00:58:27,460
one that you sent over looks like you

1277
00:58:32,250 --> 00:58:29,980
can see the stars the sky is kind of

1278
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:32,260
like there's a a group of trees

1279
00:58:37,650 --> 00:58:35,170
silhouetted in the background and looks

1280
00:58:38,940 --> 00:58:37,660
like you can see the table and I don't

1281
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,950
know if that's the one you talked about

1282
00:58:43,260 --> 00:58:41,920
or not yes yes now the table once again

1283
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:43,270
is the phenomenon that's lighting up

1284
00:58:48,330 --> 00:58:44,770
that table there was nothing that could

1285
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:48,340
light that up it was dark yeah but right

1286
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,440
beside the table you see the image of

1287
00:58:54,579 --> 00:58:52,000
what looks like some kind of a being

1288
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:54,589
okay now if you

1289
00:58:59,019 --> 00:58:56,930
look right next to that it's kind of

1290
00:59:01,539 --> 00:58:59,029
difficult and I think the problem is

1291
00:59:04,329 --> 00:59:01,549
messenger compresses pictures and your

1292
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:04,339
version might not be the best but you

1293
00:59:12,849 --> 00:59:06,410
can see it's kind of black right beside

1294
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:12,859
that not sure and also the picture is a

1295
00:59:18,849 --> 00:59:14,690
little small I'm looking at it in the

1296
00:59:20,979 --> 00:59:18,859
program that I do yeah yeah yeah no

1297
00:59:23,739 --> 00:59:20,989
problem we can move on but in a very

1298
00:59:25,779 --> 00:59:23,749
clear picture you you can see that it's

1299
00:59:28,539 --> 00:59:25,789
actually projected on to a girl that's

1300
00:59:32,469 --> 00:59:28,549
kneeling down in front of the table but

1301
00:59:36,969 --> 00:59:32,479
we can move on no problem but getting

1302
00:59:40,779 --> 00:59:36,979
back to Joshua Tree with those strings

1303
00:59:44,499 --> 00:59:40,789
of pearls that was a phenomenon that we

1304
00:59:46,839 --> 00:59:44,509
captured with our iPhones and you know

1305
00:59:49,959 --> 00:59:46,849
once again I got all this expensive

1306
00:59:52,450 --> 00:59:49,969
equipment but there's a bet some of the

1307
00:59:54,849 --> 00:59:52,460
best stuff I've got is simply with my

1308
00:59:58,180 --> 00:59:54,859
iPhone you know you don't need all this

1309
00:59:59,769 --> 00:59:58,190
expensive equipment anybody can just go

1310
01:00:01,509 --> 00:59:59,779
out in the field with their iPhone I

1311
01:00:03,700 --> 01:00:01,519
mean everybody has an iPhone or an arrow

1312
01:00:04,930 --> 01:00:03,710
so you don't need to have that ring with

1313
01:00:07,299 --> 01:00:04,940
you it looks like you've got like a half

1314
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:07,309
a dozen cameras and you got it pointed

1315
01:00:11,589 --> 01:00:09,650
up at the sky and you don't need it you

1316
01:00:13,930 --> 01:00:11,599
don't need you don't need it like

1317
01:00:17,319 --> 01:00:13,940
honestly how much how much cool stuff

1318
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:17,329
have you got with that rig well I I got

1319
01:00:25,420 --> 01:00:21,529
the Squamish or with that I did capture

1320
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:25,430
we were in we did a four country tour in

1321
01:00:31,749 --> 01:00:27,529
the UK we did England Ireland Scotland

1322
01:00:34,209 --> 01:00:31,759
Wales and we were out over the North Sea

1323
01:00:38,410 --> 01:00:34,219
they're looking on a beach and it was

1324
01:00:40,359 --> 01:00:38,420
daylight and with my thermal I captured

1325
01:00:43,809 --> 01:00:40,369
an object moving across the sky which

1326
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:43,819
was not visible with any of the other

1327
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,650
equipment it wasn't visible with regular

1328
01:00:50,039 --> 01:00:47,359
cameras it wasn't visible to our I

1329
01:00:54,489 --> 01:00:50,049
wasn't visible with binoculars and

1330
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:54,499
interestingly enough we've got video and

1331
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:56,630
I've done an insert I think if you you

1332
01:01:02,380 --> 01:00:59,440
might you see it on YouTube if you go oh

1333
01:01:05,289 --> 01:01:02,390
I don't even know how it's listed just

1334
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,299
go Wales object thermal something like

1335
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:07,920
that on my channel but

1336
01:01:13,579 --> 01:01:10,380
what was interesting about that one was

1337
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:13,589
when you blow up the video

1338
01:01:19,339 --> 01:01:17,040
yuzu min the object and I had the

1339
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:19,349
thermal set for black as hot in other

1340
01:01:24,740 --> 01:01:22,859
words the the warmer the warmer that an

1341
01:01:27,620 --> 01:01:24,750
object is the more black it's going to

1342
01:01:30,049 --> 01:01:27,630
be in thermal okay and for no objects

1343
01:01:31,339 --> 01:01:30,059
cold it's going to be more white so it

1344
01:01:34,730 --> 01:01:31,349
just is shades of gray

1345
01:01:38,829 --> 01:01:34,740
well this object in the sky was black

1346
01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:38,839
underneath and yet it was a very warm

1347
01:01:44,809 --> 01:01:41,849
sunny day with clear skies mostly clear

1348
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:44,819
and I would think that the top of the

1349
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:47,400
object should have been black if it was

1350
01:01:53,660 --> 01:01:50,400
a plane this one was black underneath

1351
01:01:56,359 --> 01:01:53,670
which I thought was odd so that almost

1352
01:01:58,099 --> 01:01:56,369
you know I mean he starts theorizing

1353
01:01:59,809 --> 01:01:58,109
what it might be that could indicate

1354
01:02:02,960 --> 01:01:59,819
some kind of a propulsion system

1355
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:02,970
underneath I don't know but you know it

1356
01:02:08,180 --> 01:02:05,730
wasn't one of ours because we didn't see

1357
01:02:10,730 --> 01:02:08,190
it in visible cameras and I had

1358
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:10,740
high-powered binoculars that were aimed

1359
01:02:16,370 --> 01:02:13,290
right at it as well and we also had a

1360
01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:16,380
p900 camera and I've got a spotting

1361
01:02:24,910 --> 01:02:19,829
scope it's just a tube actually a PVC

1362
01:02:28,849 --> 01:02:24,920
tube that I line everything up with and

1363
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:28,859
we had one of the people that was with

1364
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:31,650
us Kelly who was with us at the time she

1365
01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:35,369
aimed her p900 through the spotting tube

1366
01:02:41,870 --> 01:02:39,030
which once again a PVC pipe and had the

1367
01:02:45,530 --> 01:02:41,880
exact same position of where this object

1368
01:02:51,530 --> 01:02:45,540
was and it wasn't seen and that's got 83

1369
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:51,540
times zoom and it's the nikon camera

1370
01:02:54,500 --> 01:02:52,290
it's a nice camera

1371
01:02:56,329 --> 01:02:54,510
yeah and that was really my first camera

1372
01:02:58,880 --> 01:02:56,339
that I got started with and it just kind

1373
01:03:02,030 --> 01:02:58,890
of expanded from there I just give folks

1374
01:03:05,780 --> 01:03:02,040
an idea at home with a p900 if you zoom

1375
01:03:08,750 --> 01:03:05,790
in you can actually photograph the rings

1376
01:03:10,370 --> 01:03:08,760
of Saturn with that kid yes yes and of

1377
01:03:12,349 --> 01:03:10,380
course very easily the craters on the

1378
01:03:14,180 --> 01:03:12,359
moon and you can oh yeah on a tripod

1379
01:03:16,730 --> 01:03:14,190
you'll you'll get the moon moving

1380
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:16,740
through your frame and and you know you

1381
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:18,210
can practically see people walking on

1382
01:03:19,730 --> 01:03:19,200
the moon if they were walking on the

1383
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:19,740
moon

1384
01:03:25,700 --> 01:03:23,220
but it's a good camera to get to started

1385
01:03:27,580 --> 01:03:25,710
with for sure so Rob just just for tech

1386
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:27,590
heads and people who want to get

1387
01:03:34,130 --> 01:03:31,050
equipment run us down a quick equipment

1388
01:03:38,030 --> 01:03:34,140
list of like something your gear yes

1389
01:03:41,540 --> 01:03:38,040
so I've got as the sony a7r and the sony

1390
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:41,550
a7s are two good cameras to have those

1391
01:03:47,090 --> 01:03:44,520
DSLR cameras are they gather mirror list

1392
01:03:48,620 --> 01:03:47,100
their their mirrorless and so you can

1393
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:48,630
leave them open to you download the apps

1394
01:03:52,970 --> 01:03:50,220
that are available and you can do time

1395
01:03:56,300 --> 01:03:52,980
exposures and I would say you know

1396
01:03:59,030 --> 01:03:56,310
that's exactly yeah really the best way

1397
01:04:03,320 --> 01:03:59,040
to get started honestly is get an a7 are

1398
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:03,330
it's 40 megapixel photos and then you

1399
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:05,490
know focus it at infinity get the app

1400
01:04:10,430 --> 01:04:07,680
the time lapse app and depending on how

1401
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:10,440
dark it is do anywhere from 15 to 30

1402
01:04:16,250 --> 01:04:13,170
second exposures and I've captured so

1403
01:04:18,260 --> 01:04:16,260
much stuff with that that that is a

1404
01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:18,270
really good one to get if you get the a7

1405
01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:21,420
are they're more sensitive at nighttime

1406
01:04:25,609 --> 01:04:23,550
and you can get then you can do video at

1407
01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:25,619
nighttime but it's very grainy and

1408
01:04:32,290 --> 01:04:28,460
they're only 12 megapixel photos so

1409
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:32,300
honestly I would say the a7 a seven a

1410
01:04:39,010 --> 01:04:35,730
seven which is the one with 40

1411
01:04:42,349 --> 01:04:39,020
megapixels a seminar a seminar I guess

1412
01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:42,359
yeah because a 7s I nicknamed S stands

1413
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:44,670
for sensitive so but the ISO is very

1414
01:04:50,510 --> 01:04:46,730
high but it's very grainy with low

1415
01:04:52,340 --> 01:04:50,520
megapixels so go into a 7r and go with

1416
01:04:55,430 --> 01:04:52,350
time-lapse that's the best way to get

1417
01:04:58,880 --> 01:04:55,440
started and just you can you know get

1418
01:05:01,040 --> 01:04:58,890
get a sigma 24 millimeter lens so it's

1419
01:05:02,870 --> 01:05:01,050
you'll have to get the adapter and so

1420
01:05:05,330 --> 01:05:02,880
it's more a little bit wider angle and

1421
01:05:07,550 --> 01:05:05,340
you'll get strange things happening in

1422
01:05:10,790 --> 01:05:07,560
this guy recorded in time-lapse on that

1423
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:10,800
one I used that in at the East SETI

1424
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,369
ranch

1425
01:05:15,230 --> 01:05:13,680
anyway I captured the lights moving

1426
01:05:19,220 --> 01:05:15,240
around at the top of the mountain there

1427
01:05:21,500 --> 01:05:19,230
and that was another thing he said he

1428
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:21,510
ranch those lights zoomed in with

1429
01:05:27,380 --> 01:05:24,930
thermal and there's nothing up there I

1430
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:27,390
should have had bodies walking around if

1431
01:05:32,510 --> 01:05:29,910
there were hikers nothing nothing in

1432
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:32,520
thermal and it's very sensitive it's all

1433
01:05:36,500 --> 01:05:33,690
light it's just like

1434
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:36,510
lights up there they're cold lights but

1435
01:05:41,450 --> 01:05:39,450
I would say if they want to get it

1436
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:41,460
started and they want to spend you know

1437
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:44,550
the p900 it's a really good one to get

1438
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:45,930
started with because you can pick those

1439
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:47,640
up for five or six hundred bucks yeah

1440
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,190
five six hundred bucks exactly yeah and

1441
01:05:56,570 --> 01:05:53,640
then if they want to then graduate I

1442
01:05:59,300 --> 01:05:56,580
would say the next camera is Sony a7r

1443
01:06:02,690 --> 01:05:59,310
and just leave it as visible don't

1444
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:02,700
convert the filter yet leave it as

1445
01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:05,910
visible and just download you know pay

1446
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:08,040
the five bucks or whatever and download

1447
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:10,530
the time lapse app so you don't hear

1448
01:06:15,470 --> 01:06:12,930
your shutter opening and closing it just

1449
01:06:18,890 --> 01:06:15,480
leaves it open the whole time and you

1450
01:06:21,500 --> 01:06:18,900
can set it on 15 or 30 second exposures

1451
01:06:23,300 --> 01:06:21,510
and then you can play it back as a video

1452
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:23,310
and you'll be blown away with the stuff

1453
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:26,670
you're gonna capture in that and if you

1454
01:06:32,510 --> 01:06:28,890
want to get night vision you know just

1455
01:06:36,140 --> 01:06:32,520
for viewing there's there's some good

1456
01:06:38,690 --> 01:06:36,150
stuff on the market that's not bad I

1457
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:38,700
know that Charles I forget the name of

1458
01:06:43,070 --> 01:06:41,910
right now charles de luna de luna yeah I

1459
01:06:44,900 --> 01:06:43,080
get that

1460
01:06:47,780 --> 01:06:44,910
do you know what the cost on that is

1461
01:06:49,310 --> 01:06:47,790
James I don't I don't hate you know he

1462
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:49,320
sent it over to me because I was asking

1463
01:06:58,340 --> 01:06:56,730
I don't know a lunar night vision I

1464
01:07:01,850 --> 01:06:58,350
would say it's like full-color night

1465
01:07:04,580 --> 01:07:01,860
vision and you know that get started

1466
01:07:06,980 --> 01:07:04,590
with so that's what I would recommend

1467
01:07:09,590 --> 01:07:06,990
you know I've got a lot I think he said

1468
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:09,600
the new one records too right yes you

1469
01:07:15,770 --> 01:07:12,780
can put a little the media the the micro

1470
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:15,780
SD card in and or record yeah perfect

1471
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:18,000
and what about the the night vision that

1472
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:19,290
you have you have a chance to really

1473
01:07:25,070 --> 01:07:22,290
yeah you're gonna spend several thousand

1474
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:25,080
dollars for that yes yeah that's

1475
01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:26,970
necessary to get started it really is

1476
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:29,880
yeah no no but just you know to put

1477
01:07:36,740 --> 01:07:33,170
everything out there yeah in Canada here

1478
01:07:40,430 --> 01:07:36,750
you it's Jens three I don't believe you

1479
01:07:42,770 --> 01:07:40,440
can have but this one is one hair under

1480
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:42,780
gen 3 yep

1481
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:45,030
yeah it's like it's right next to it you

1482
01:07:47,630 --> 01:07:46,530
can't tell the difference actually and

1483
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:47,640
it's available for

1484
01:07:54,530 --> 01:07:50,370
general can a Canadian starlight

1485
01:07:57,710 --> 01:07:54,540
incorporated G SC I I think it's called

1486
01:07:59,570 --> 01:07:57,720
an enrichment he'll Canada and and those

1487
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,580
can be exported anywhere in the world

1488
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:01,680
you can buy those and there they're

1489
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:06,270
virtually gen 3 oh and now just to jump

1490
01:08:11,210 --> 01:08:08,730
in I would recommend that you don't try

1491
01:08:20,540 --> 01:08:11,220
to play too cheap on the tripod to get a

1492
01:08:24,290 --> 01:08:20,550
decent tripod yeah that's what happened

1493
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:24,300
with me is I I had a $600 tripod but as

1494
01:08:28,580 --> 01:08:26,580
the equipment got heavier and heavier it

1495
01:08:31,490 --> 01:08:28,590
actually broke the tripod because it's

1496
01:08:34,190 --> 01:08:31,500
like I think it's close to 50 pounds or

1497
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:34,200
60 pounds that's sitting on top there so

1498
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:36,120
I had to I had to go out and buy a

1499
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:38,250
really good tripod that could carry the

1500
01:08:43,310 --> 01:08:40,530
weight of this stuff and and you know I

1501
01:08:46,250 --> 01:08:43,320
we I put all this stuff in my luggage

1502
01:08:47,690 --> 01:08:46,260
like it goes in my carry-on I basically

1503
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:47,700
my rule of thumb is anything over a

1504
01:08:50,750 --> 01:08:49,290
thousand bucks goes in carry-on

1505
01:08:52,210 --> 01:08:50,760
everything else goes underneath and we

1506
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:52,220
travel around the world with this stuff

1507
01:08:57,230 --> 01:08:54,480
go around the world with this stuff and

1508
01:08:59,690 --> 01:08:57,240
and but you don't need it you know yeah

1509
01:09:03,620 --> 01:08:59,700
you really don't need it I would say you

1510
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:03,630
can capture 80% of the 80/20 rule you

1511
01:09:10,430 --> 01:09:07,770
can capture 80% of the phenomenon with

1512
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,440
just very inexpensive stuff it's really

1513
01:09:15,500 --> 01:09:12,960
just getting into the that other 20% or

1514
01:09:17,690 --> 01:09:15,510
even less with the high-tech gear you

1515
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:17,700
don't need it you know just do your

1516
01:09:22,250 --> 01:09:21,120
meditation do your ce-5 and you bring

1517
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:22,260
them in and you're gonna see it with

1518
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:23,730
your eyes you can capture them with your

1519
01:09:27,860 --> 01:09:26,310
iPhone's you can and the stuff you can't

1520
01:09:30,200 --> 01:09:27,870
see with your eyes you can capture with

1521
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:30,210
your iPhone you know or your p900 or

1522
01:09:36,790 --> 01:09:34,920
your sony a7r you know you really don't

1523
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:36,800
have to spend a huge amount of money

1524
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:42,090
yeah now your documentary that's coming

1525
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:44,850
out what we expect to see in the

1526
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:46,500
document yes

1527
01:09:52,370 --> 01:09:49,530
so it basically is chronicling the

1528
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:52,380
journey from when we first got going

1529
01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:54,360
three and a half years ago till now and

1530
01:09:59,600 --> 01:09:56,520
it's ongoing there's gonna be follow-ups

1531
01:10:01,339 --> 01:09:59,610
with it it's called making contact be

1532
01:10:03,229 --> 01:10:01,349
inspired we're

1533
01:10:06,379 --> 01:10:03,239
greening it like I say in Lockland at

1534
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:06,389
Paul Harris's Starworks symposium in

1535
01:10:11,990 --> 01:10:10,170
November and shortly after that depends

1536
01:10:15,050 --> 01:10:12,000
on the distributor whether they want to

1537
01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:15,060
do it on streaming or DVD or like

1538
01:10:21,589 --> 01:10:19,440
Netflix or wherever you know iTunes but

1539
01:10:23,450 --> 01:10:21,599
it won't be long after that within

1540
01:10:25,580 --> 01:10:23,460
probably a month or two after that it'll

1541
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:25,590
be available for the public and it

1542
01:10:35,300 --> 01:10:31,440
basically it just chronicles us we

1543
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:35,310
interview just average people and the

1544
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:37,560
experts as well it's funny because you

1545
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:40,020
know you're getting ordinary people

1546
01:10:45,649 --> 01:10:42,810
seeing seeing extraordinary things it

1547
01:10:48,649 --> 01:10:45,659
seems the more ordinary the people are

1548
01:10:50,689 --> 01:10:48,659
the more extraordinary stuff they see

1549
01:10:53,419 --> 01:10:50,699
because they they open their mind up and

1550
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:53,429
they make these connections to whatever

1551
01:11:00,350 --> 01:10:58,050
it is out there there's nothing ordinary

1552
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:00,360
about you I've had done a little bit of

1553
01:11:04,430 --> 01:11:02,250
looking at your background now there's

1554
01:11:06,500 --> 01:11:04,440
nothing ordinary about you you're quite

1555
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:06,510
a guy from what I'm reading up on here

1556
01:11:10,220 --> 01:11:08,219
did you know in your personal life had

1557
01:11:11,899 --> 01:11:10,230
not your professional background but the

1558
01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:11,909
one thing I'm kind of curious about you

1559
01:11:19,819 --> 01:11:15,270
spoke a little bit about your evolution

1560
01:11:22,129 --> 01:11:19,829
from being a witness as a preteen to

1561
01:11:23,870 --> 01:11:22,139
getting into all this can you go into a

1562
01:11:25,939 --> 01:11:23,880
little bit more detail about that I mean

1563
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:25,949
what that what convinced you that the

1564
01:11:33,319 --> 01:11:29,090
ce-5 stuff has some merit

1565
01:11:37,419 --> 01:11:33,329
well like I say I had no idea I had no

1566
01:11:41,060 --> 01:11:37,429
idea that that second group that we got

1567
01:11:44,450 --> 01:11:41,070
as a kid that we called them in but once

1568
01:11:48,589 --> 01:11:44,460
I learned that you know basically four

1569
01:11:54,620 --> 01:11:48,599
years ago we've really gone down the

1570
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:54,630
road of practicing that we you know I've

1571
01:11:58,970 --> 01:11:56,520
meditated all my life actually I've

1572
01:12:03,800 --> 01:11:58,980
gotten involved with meditation and I've

1573
01:12:06,379 --> 01:12:03,810
really cranked that up of late and I

1574
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:06,389
just know that if you get yourself quiet

1575
01:12:12,410 --> 01:12:10,590
and you know whether it doesn't matter

1576
01:12:14,989 --> 01:12:12,420
who you are you just get yourself quiet

1577
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:14,999
you can you can do very simple on

1578
01:12:19,669 --> 01:12:17,010
you don't even have to do mantras just

1579
01:12:21,890 --> 01:12:19,679
just get yourself quiet turn the noise

1580
01:12:24,410 --> 01:12:21,900
down relax yourself

1581
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:24,420
and believe that you can make contact

1582
01:12:33,049 --> 01:12:30,780
and you will you know I don't know what

1583
01:12:35,899 --> 01:12:33,059
to say you know my friend Marc Marc

1584
01:12:38,029 --> 01:12:35,909
McNabb who who you know he was the guy

1585
01:12:39,979 --> 01:12:38,039
that you know I did movies together like

1586
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:39,989
I say and he heard my story

1587
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:42,900
he went did research for six months he

1588
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:44,489
came back and told me that you know you

1589
01:12:48,739 --> 01:12:47,369
guys as young guys you called them in he

1590
01:12:50,750 --> 01:12:48,749
didn't have to say any more than that

1591
01:12:53,629 --> 01:12:50,760
because then I made the connection that

1592
01:12:55,489 --> 01:12:53,639
yes he was he was he was truthful in

1593
01:12:57,049 --> 01:12:55,499
what he was saying and you know and just

1594
01:12:59,540 --> 01:12:57,059
going around the world and talking to

1595
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:59,550
all these people we we have we've

1596
01:13:02,859 --> 01:13:00,840
interviewed hundreds of people and

1597
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:02,869
they're gonna be in our documentary and

1598
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:06,210
you know anybody can do this you know

1599
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,289
different people are more sensitive and

1600
01:13:14,390 --> 01:13:12,239
somewhere less sensitive but if if

1601
01:13:16,370 --> 01:13:14,400
you're a person that's less sensitive to

1602
01:13:18,169 --> 01:13:16,380
this and you truly have the intention

1603
01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:18,179
that you want to explore this phenomena

1604
01:13:24,259 --> 01:13:21,239
and make contact you will and maybe I

1605
01:13:26,029 --> 01:13:24,269
can come back now to that idea in

1606
01:13:27,859 --> 01:13:26,039
Australia where we we believe we may

1607
01:13:29,270 --> 01:13:27,869
have made contact with an ET being you

1608
01:13:29,839 --> 01:13:29,280
want me to talk about that yeah yeah go

1609
01:13:34,370 --> 01:13:29,849
ahead go ahead

1610
01:13:35,060 --> 01:13:34,380
okay okay so we were in Australia for

1611
01:13:38,839 --> 01:13:35,070
three weeks

1612
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:38,849
this was last last year last spring like

1613
01:13:45,500 --> 01:13:43,050
a year ago and we had gone to see the

1614
01:13:47,750 --> 01:13:45,510
Ayers Rock lunar ooh that's that big

1615
01:13:49,879 --> 01:13:47,760
rock in the middle of Australia and

1616
01:13:51,589 --> 01:13:49,889
there's lots of stories around that

1617
01:13:53,149 --> 01:13:51,599
there's lots of story of ET crafts that

1618
01:13:55,790 --> 01:13:53,159
have been seen going right into the rock

1619
01:13:56,989 --> 01:13:55,800
and shooting up right above it we've

1620
01:13:59,719 --> 01:13:56,999
talked to many people that had

1621
01:14:03,770 --> 01:13:59,729
experiences that but we want it to try

1622
01:14:06,830 --> 01:14:03,780
to see something and document it and we

1623
01:14:09,290 --> 01:14:06,840
had with us one of the c5 experience

1624
01:14:11,839 --> 01:14:09,300
there's Lauren Firth she travelled

1625
01:14:15,709 --> 01:14:11,849
around with us and the one night when we

1626
01:14:18,919 --> 01:14:15,719
were at the resort a retreat there not

1627
01:14:21,709 --> 01:14:18,929
far from Ayers Rock I said how can we go

1628
01:14:23,239 --> 01:14:21,719
out and spend all night out with the

1629
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:23,249
equipment and just see what we can see

1630
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:26,489
so her and I went out we drove out and

1631
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:28,380
it's all desert there's the little bit

1632
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:28,590
of

1633
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:31,590
grubbé small little bushes and trees but

1634
01:14:35,540 --> 01:14:33,719
it's it's virtually desert and roads are

1635
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:35,550
run straight for miles and miles and

1636
01:14:40,609 --> 01:14:39,000
miles and we we drove about thirty

1637
01:14:42,109 --> 01:14:40,619
minutes from the resort we found a

1638
01:14:44,830 --> 01:14:42,119
little area where we could actually

1639
01:14:47,990 --> 01:14:44,840
drive out into the desert a little bit

1640
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:48,000
like 300 feet away from the road we want

1641
01:14:52,100 --> 01:14:50,239
it to be a little bit inconspicuous

1642
01:14:54,500 --> 01:14:52,110
because we were going to be there all

1643
01:14:56,660 --> 01:14:54,510
night so we were about 300 feet off the

1644
01:14:59,479 --> 01:14:56,670
road it's all hardpack sort of gravelly

1645
01:14:59,930 --> 01:14:59,489
sand so it's grabbing boys so no big

1646
01:15:03,770 --> 01:14:59,940
deal

1647
01:15:06,260 --> 01:15:03,780
we were parked there and we had been you

1648
01:15:08,510 --> 01:15:06,270
know seeing sad lights go across this

1649
01:15:12,020 --> 01:15:08,520
guy and stuff nothing special

1650
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:12,030
and we had the equipment set up and

1651
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:13,920
about I don't know one o'clock in the

1652
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:17,880
morning maybe later a car also drove

1653
01:15:22,250 --> 01:15:20,489
into the area where we were about 50

1654
01:15:25,490 --> 01:15:22,260
feet away from us and I thought that was

1655
01:15:27,589 --> 01:15:25,500
odd because we our car could not be seen

1656
01:15:30,020 --> 01:15:27,599
from the road we had we had things kind

1657
01:15:32,060 --> 01:15:30,030
of hidden away and of all the places

1658
01:15:34,580 --> 01:15:32,070
this car drove into the same area where

1659
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:34,590
we were and there's hundreds of miles of

1660
01:15:41,899 --> 01:15:37,590
nothing like white white this but

1661
01:15:43,820 --> 01:15:41,909
whatever so we saw the light on inside

1662
01:15:45,379 --> 01:15:43,830
his car and you know he was messing

1663
01:15:47,330 --> 01:15:45,389
around and then he got out of his car

1664
01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:47,340
and I said to Lord I'm gonna go over

1665
01:15:52,910 --> 01:15:49,230
talk to him and she didn't want me to

1666
01:15:54,979 --> 01:15:52,920
she was afraid and she says what you

1667
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:54,989
know what if he comes over and steals

1668
01:15:59,120 --> 01:15:56,940
your equipment or whatever you know and

1669
01:16:01,459 --> 01:15:59,130
or does something bad and I said okay I

1670
01:16:04,010 --> 01:16:01,469
put my laser I got a high-powered laser

1671
01:16:06,859 --> 01:16:04,020
I stuck at my back pocket and I thought

1672
01:16:07,939 --> 01:16:06,869
that would be my weapon he pulled a gun

1673
01:16:10,879 --> 01:16:07,949
or a knife on us

1674
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:10,889
we're suckered but I thought well if I

1675
01:16:14,270 --> 01:16:12,480
get attacked he's getting it right in

1676
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:14,280
the eye I would never hurt anybody but

1677
01:16:18,410 --> 01:16:16,050
if somebody aggressively attacks me

1678
01:16:21,859 --> 01:16:18,420
they're gonna get it and all bets are

1679
01:16:24,890 --> 01:16:21,869
off sort of thing so I walked over and

1680
01:16:26,629 --> 01:16:24,900
she came with me and I started talking

1681
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:26,639
to this guy he was very tall and a

1682
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:30,000
good-looking guy he was maybe six foot

1683
01:16:39,709 --> 01:16:36,420
five and you know things started to not

1684
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:39,719
jive for example he said that he had

1685
01:16:44,990 --> 01:16:41,970
just driven 18 hours from the northern

1686
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:45,000
of Australia he worked in a mine and was

1687
01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:47,430
going home for the weekend

1688
01:16:53,390 --> 01:16:50,700
and I thought well somebody who had just

1689
01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:53,400
driven 18 hours especially what's a guy

1690
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:55,440
should have a bit of a beard growth and

1691
01:17:02,720 --> 01:16:58,500
he didn't have that and he said he had

1692
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,730
just come from his work but honestly he

1693
01:17:06,830 --> 01:17:04,500
looked like he had just gotten his

1694
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:06,840
clothes from the laundry like pressed

1695
01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:10,320
they were all still pressed and clean he

1696
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:12,150
looked like he had just bought them and

1697
01:17:18,860 --> 01:17:15,710
then when I asked him what he was doing

1698
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:18,870
there he said he was gonna go sky

1699
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:21,450
watching he seemed to be mirroring

1700
01:17:26,630 --> 01:17:24,690
things that we were doing and when he

1701
01:17:30,020 --> 01:17:26,640
was talking everything seemed to be

1702
01:17:32,030 --> 01:17:30,030
rehearsed it didn't seem natural and

1703
01:17:37,490 --> 01:17:32,040
he's got the local accent though right

1704
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:37,500
yes okay but not exactly the same and it

1705
01:17:42,500 --> 01:17:39,810
was just strange in talking with him

1706
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,510
that he didn't seem to be the more I

1707
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:44,640
asked him questions I seem to know more

1708
01:17:51,980 --> 01:17:49,260
about Australia than he did and it just

1709
01:17:54,170 --> 01:17:51,990
didn't seem to jive and I've read I you

1710
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:54,180
know we have never actually made contact

1711
01:17:59,740 --> 01:17:57,360
prior to this with ETS I mean we do want

1712
01:18:02,000 --> 01:17:59,750
to but we hadn't I've read stories where

1713
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:02,010
supposedly there's ETS living on earth

1714
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:04,050
now I don't say I believe it or not I'm

1715
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:06,900
just repeating what I've read and yet

1716
01:18:12,380 --> 01:18:09,650
some of these ETS looked like us and

1717
01:18:15,740 --> 01:18:12,390
I've heard stories where they show up at

1718
01:18:18,020 --> 01:18:15,750
picnics and they're wearing a suit it's

1719
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,030
kind of like they're they're out of

1720
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,040
place they've you know it's kind of like

1721
01:18:23,180 --> 01:18:21,840
they've read up on what humans do and

1722
01:18:27,140 --> 01:18:23,190
they try to copy and they don't quite

1723
01:18:29,060 --> 01:18:27,150
get it right so you know it's almost

1724
01:18:32,090 --> 01:18:29,070
like in the Second World War you know

1725
01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:32,100
the Americans hired German people who

1726
01:18:35,570 --> 01:18:33,780
lived in the States for a long time to

1727
01:18:37,730 --> 01:18:35,580
become spies and they trained them on

1728
01:18:40,550 --> 01:18:37,740
all the current culture in Germany they

1729
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:40,560
go to Germany and they kind of fit in

1730
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:42,330
but if anybody would question him long

1731
01:18:46,940 --> 01:18:44,010
enough they'd realize they're not from

1732
01:18:49,670 --> 01:18:46,950
there so that is how it felt with this

1733
01:18:51,710 --> 01:18:49,680
guy I asked him all these questions and

1734
01:18:55,490 --> 01:18:51,720
even where he was going he couldn't

1735
01:18:56,089 --> 01:18:55,500
quite tell me like he had all these

1736
01:18:58,429 --> 01:18:56,099
super

1737
01:19:02,209 --> 01:18:58,439
so answers and he didn't even speak in a

1738
01:19:06,619 --> 01:19:02,219
natural manner of speaking everything

1739
01:19:08,629 --> 01:19:06,629
seemed to be rehearsed and you know the

1740
01:19:11,899 --> 01:19:08,639
fact that he's coming skywatching in the

1741
01:19:15,859 --> 01:19:11,909
same spot where we are so you know

1742
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:15,869
Lauren you know she had told me I hope

1743
01:19:22,459 --> 01:19:17,550
the guy doesn't stay here she was a

1744
01:19:25,549 --> 01:19:22,469
little nervous and anyway the guy said

1745
01:19:28,879 --> 01:19:25,559
to us if if you're not comfortable with

1746
01:19:31,699 --> 01:19:28,889
me being here I can go like he kind of

1747
01:19:35,179 --> 01:19:31,709
read our minds read her mind not my mind

1748
01:19:36,889 --> 01:19:35,189
and I wanted to keep talking with him so

1749
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:36,899
when he said you know if you're not

1750
01:19:39,799 --> 01:19:39,209
comfortable I'll leave I'll go somewhere

1751
01:19:42,529 --> 01:19:39,809
else

1752
01:19:44,209 --> 01:19:42,539
Lauren said that would be very kind of

1753
01:19:45,799 --> 01:19:44,219
you thank you very much and I thought

1754
01:19:48,949 --> 01:19:45,809
geez why did she say that

1755
01:19:52,099 --> 01:19:48,959
I honestly started thinking this guy is

1756
01:19:55,310 --> 01:19:52,109
not from here this guy might be an et

1757
01:19:58,069 --> 01:19:55,320
living on earth and so he left and I

1758
01:19:59,869 --> 01:19:58,079
said to Loren afterwards I says this guy

1759
01:20:02,000 --> 01:19:59,879
might be an et I said it doesn't add up

1760
01:20:03,409 --> 01:20:02,010
all the different stuff his clothes

1761
01:20:05,330 --> 01:20:03,419
looked like he just bought them where

1762
01:20:07,489 --> 01:20:05,340
they're the freshly pressed there's no

1763
01:20:09,259 --> 01:20:07,499
beard growth he's not answering the

1764
01:20:11,919 --> 01:20:09,269
questions correctly they're all

1765
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:11,929
rehearsed he's a little bit mechanical

1766
01:20:17,149 --> 01:20:16,050
she said yeah you're right so but anyway

1767
01:20:19,759 --> 01:20:17,159
he was gone and we continue her

1768
01:20:22,779 --> 01:20:19,769
skywatching and then about 5:30 in the

1769
01:20:26,209 --> 01:20:22,789
morning when it started to become light

1770
01:20:28,159 --> 01:20:26,219
we packed up the equipment and we went

1771
01:20:32,060 --> 01:20:28,169
back all the way 30 minutes down the

1772
01:20:35,599 --> 01:20:32,070
road to the retreat to the resort as we

1773
01:20:38,449 --> 01:20:35,609
were turning in Lauren said to me did

1774
01:20:41,629 --> 01:20:38,459
you see that car that just went by and I

1775
01:20:43,819 --> 01:20:41,639
said no she said that's him that's the

1776
01:20:44,959 --> 01:20:43,829
guy that was that pulled into the spot

1777
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,969
where we were skywatching

1778
01:20:49,939 --> 01:20:47,280
last night and I said to her I thought

1779
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:49,949
that he was going home what's he doing

1780
01:20:55,729 --> 01:20:53,340
around here so I immediately pulled a

1781
01:20:57,619 --> 01:20:55,739
u-turn and I said let's let's go after

1782
01:21:00,169 --> 01:20:57,629
him let's see if we can catch up to him

1783
01:21:01,339 --> 01:21:00,179
I thought great we can have a second

1784
01:21:03,349 --> 01:21:01,349
chance to talk to him

1785
01:21:05,810 --> 01:21:03,359
you know everything about this seems

1786
01:21:08,419 --> 01:21:05,820
strange so I turned the car around

1787
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:08,429
immediately and I go down the road and

1788
01:21:15,260 --> 01:21:09,810
there's no car to be

1789
01:21:17,510 --> 01:21:15,270
and I was going very fast and you know

1790
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:17,520
probably a hundred and fifty kilometers

1791
01:21:21,890 --> 01:21:19,650
an hour there's no speed limit on these

1792
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:21,900
roads out in the rural area anyway but

1793
01:21:26,890 --> 01:21:24,480
we never caught up to him and we went to

1794
01:21:29,930 --> 01:21:26,900
the right back to the area where we were

1795
01:21:32,210 --> 01:21:29,940
now if this guy had been traveling 18

1796
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:32,220
hours going home what would he be doing

1797
01:21:37,310 --> 01:21:34,890
hanging around where we were and how

1798
01:21:40,910 --> 01:21:37,320
come I never saw the car go by Lauren

1799
01:21:42,980 --> 01:21:40,920
saw the car go by I didn't and how come

1800
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:42,990
we never caught up to him we didn't see

1801
01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:44,580
a car I mean I don't know there's just

1802
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,120
too many things about this was he truly

1803
01:21:53,060 --> 01:21:50,400
an et that we made contact with maybe

1804
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:53,070
don't know I'll never know but

1805
01:22:01,540 --> 01:21:55,170
everything seemed already strange about

1806
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:04,160
that's my story yeah I don't know I

1807
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:06,050
don't know so we may have made contact

1808
01:22:12,530 --> 01:22:10,170
don't know don't know the name of our

1809
01:22:14,210 --> 01:22:12,540
project is making contact the name of

1810
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:14,220
our movie is making contact be inspired

1811
01:22:18,710 --> 01:22:16,410
we're getting closer and closer to the

1812
01:22:21,100 --> 01:22:18,720
phenomenon we do want to make contact

1813
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:21,110
we've talked to lots of people who have

1814
01:22:27,350 --> 01:22:24,840
including the famous Sixto Paz wells as

1815
01:22:31,430 --> 01:22:27,360
you know Paola Harris has made contact

1816
01:22:34,700 --> 01:22:31,440
with her ET guys and Tyrell at Mount

1817
01:22:38,300 --> 01:22:34,710
Shasta there's lots of people who have

1818
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:38,310
had contact with ET beings do I believe

1819
01:22:40,910 --> 01:22:38,850
him or not

1820
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:40,920
I can only say that I don't believe

1821
01:22:47,450 --> 01:22:44,910
anything unless I see it for myself see

1822
01:22:49,490 --> 01:22:47,460
it for myself or actually have an

1823
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:49,500
experience you do believe that they

1824
01:22:55,730 --> 01:22:53,580
believe it though yes yes yes yeah yeah

1825
01:22:58,640 --> 01:22:55,740
I don't disbelieve them I it's just that

1826
01:23:00,680 --> 01:22:58,650
I want to make contact you know in this

1827
01:23:02,330 --> 01:23:00,690
phenomena there's so much stuff on the

1828
01:23:04,280 --> 01:23:02,340
internet there's so many stories what do

1829
01:23:06,260 --> 01:23:04,290
you believe unless you've experienced it

1830
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:06,270
yourself right yeah generally yeah I

1831
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:08,610
believe that the people who say what

1832
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:10,080
they say that unless I've got good

1833
01:23:13,550 --> 01:23:11,520
reason not to I didn't only believe that

1834
01:23:16,250 --> 01:23:13,560
they believe that's kind of yeah kind of

1835
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:16,260
how I approach it anyway yeah like you

1836
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:18,210
know I once again at the Steven Greer

1837
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:20,370
thing you know it came out in meditation

1838
01:23:26,970 --> 01:23:23,290
that there was gonna be the visitation

1839
01:23:28,620 --> 01:23:26,980
11:11 that's when I saw the craft you

1840
01:23:32,910 --> 01:23:28,630
know which looks like something that's

1841
01:23:35,190 --> 01:23:32,920
not one of ours you know so there's just

1842
01:23:39,780 --> 01:23:35,200
so much to this phenomena and honestly I

1843
01:23:41,550 --> 01:23:39,790
you know myself we're on a path of

1844
01:23:43,290 --> 01:23:41,560
exploration and we do want to make

1845
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:43,300
contact we want to share it with others

1846
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:46,480
we want to we want to document all of

1847
01:23:51,660 --> 01:23:48,730
this we want to show people how we've

1848
01:23:54,390 --> 01:23:51,670
gotten also caught believing stuff is is

1849
01:23:57,630 --> 01:23:54,400
craft when it's not we want to show them

1850
01:24:00,540 --> 01:23:57,640
how we've debunked and how we're trying

1851
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,550
to debunk everything that we see and if

1852
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:02,560
it's if it's legitimately not

1853
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:06,760
explainable then we say and but we can't

1854
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:10,650
believe everything we see you know we're

1855
01:24:17,010 --> 01:24:13,450
we do want to make contact and I do

1856
01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:17,020
believe that there are ETS and I want to

1857
01:24:23,130 --> 01:24:18,820
come face-to-face with them I really do

1858
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:23,140
oh sure yeah I mean even if you think

1859
01:24:27,090 --> 01:24:25,690
about it some c5 is still out there or

1860
01:24:29,580 --> 01:24:27,100
some people I mean it's getting out

1861
01:24:31,530 --> 01:24:29,590
there and I guess you can say it's

1862
01:24:34,410 --> 01:24:31,540
becoming more accepted and more people

1863
01:24:37,170 --> 01:24:34,420
are coming on board but yeah I think the

1864
01:24:40,650 --> 01:24:37,180
more people that that are coming out and

1865
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:40,660
you know I think as this I don't know

1866
01:24:43,830 --> 01:24:42,250
what you want to call it with to the

1867
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:43,840
Stars and everything is happening with

1868
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:47,710
the mainstream media it seems that this

1869
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:50,320
subject in general the phenomenon is

1870
01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:53,170
becoming more accepted and I think as

1871
01:24:58,200 --> 01:24:56,410
that happens and and it is more in the

1872
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,210
collective consciousness and accepted

1873
01:25:04,710 --> 01:25:01,360
and more of an everyday thing that we're

1874
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:04,720
going to see ce-5 zan contact become

1875
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:09,280
closer widespread yeah I agree with that

1876
01:25:15,180 --> 01:25:12,490
100% and I also I strongly believe that

1877
01:25:19,740 --> 01:25:15,190
you know the phenomenon or the the

1878
01:25:21,480 --> 01:25:19,750
beings the ETS behind all this they they

1879
01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:21,490
for example with my equipment if they

1880
01:25:26,430 --> 01:25:23,500
don't want me capturing it I don't get

1881
01:25:28,350 --> 01:25:26,440
it it almost seems like if they want me

1882
01:25:32,460 --> 01:25:28,360
to capture it they will let me get it

1883
01:25:34,860 --> 01:25:32,470
and you know they're the ones that are

1884
01:25:36,450 --> 01:25:34,870
behind this disclosure do you know when

1885
01:25:38,729 --> 01:25:36,460
they when they say and

1886
01:25:40,979 --> 01:25:38,739
allow it to happen it'll happen it won't

1887
01:25:46,290 --> 01:25:40,989
be us you know you know they're gonna

1888
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:46,300
allow I've heard that when 20% of the

1889
01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:48,930
world have experienced the phenomenon

1890
01:25:53,100 --> 01:25:50,590
disclosures going to happen they're

1891
01:25:54,930 --> 01:25:53,110
gonna allow it to happen that came out

1892
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:54,940
in a message that somebody got during

1893
01:26:01,050 --> 01:25:58,480
meditation and you know who knows I just

1894
01:26:02,670 --> 01:26:01,060
know that you know what we've heard many

1895
01:26:04,170 --> 01:26:02,680
times is they don't want there they

1896
01:26:05,729 --> 01:26:04,180
don't want us to be afraid they don't

1897
01:26:09,090 --> 01:26:05,739
want to scare us

1898
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:09,100
they don't want mass panic so you know

1899
01:26:13,620 --> 01:26:12,130
they're allowing themselves to be seen

1900
01:26:15,450 --> 01:26:13,630
more and more and more and more and more

1901
01:26:19,110 --> 01:26:15,460
and gradually getting us used to this

1902
01:26:22,170 --> 01:26:19,120
and when they decide to allow it to

1903
01:26:25,020 --> 01:26:22,180
happen it'll happen yeah that's that's

1904
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:25,030
gonna be an exciting time for sure so

1905
01:26:29,820 --> 01:26:27,310
when will it be I hope that it's in the

1906
01:26:32,610 --> 01:26:29,830
next few years I you know I would love

1907
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:32,620
to be part of it yeah absolutely

1908
01:26:37,170 --> 01:26:35,410
I mean it really and even the last year

1909
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:37,180
alone with everything that's going on in

1910
01:26:44,760 --> 01:26:41,560
the mainstream the the ball is moving

1911
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:44,770
down the field yeah yeah there's more

1912
01:26:48,990 --> 01:26:46,210
and more things happening there's more

1913
01:26:53,130 --> 01:26:49,000
and more stuff being dumped into media

1914
01:26:54,750 --> 01:26:53,140
like what was at the nimitz incident the

1915
01:26:57,450 --> 01:26:54,760
tic tac and all those things there's

1916
01:27:00,810 --> 01:26:57,460
there's so much that's kind of being

1917
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:00,820
leaked into the public domain now and I

1918
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:03,370
mean if you ask just about anybody on

1919
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:06,310
the street almost everybody will say

1920
01:27:09,390 --> 01:27:07,570
yeah they believe that there's something

1921
01:27:11,550 --> 01:27:09,400
out there and that we can't be alone in

1922
01:27:14,130 --> 01:27:11,560
the universe and that that's a change

1923
01:27:15,810 --> 01:27:14,140
from even a few years ago I don't know

1924
01:27:19,050 --> 01:27:15,820
if you guys have noticed that but oh

1925
01:27:20,940 --> 01:27:19,060
well more and more people are believing

1926
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:20,950
that there's something out there but a

1927
01:27:28,260 --> 01:27:23,890
lot of people still say well it's not in

1928
01:27:31,050 --> 01:27:28,270
my backyard and and you know it's not

1929
01:27:33,780 --> 01:27:31,060
sort of happening live or whatever near

1930
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:33,790
me but they are opening their minds up

1931
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:36,010
that there may be something yeah and the

1932
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:37,690
science is moving forward too

1933
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:39,489
I mean you know now in science they're

1934
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:42,130
talking about multiple dimensions you

1935
01:27:46,620 --> 01:27:44,040
know all these Goldilocks planets and

1936
01:27:50,009 --> 01:27:46,630
artificial intelligence being able to do

1937
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:50,019
all these and these things engineer

1938
01:27:54,450 --> 01:27:52,510
yeah genetics everything is just it's

1939
01:27:56,220 --> 01:27:54,460
it's catching up to the bit where people

1940
01:27:58,979 --> 01:27:56,230
like oh well wait there's a lot more

1941
01:28:00,689 --> 01:27:58,989
than we thought we knew yeah I don't

1942
01:28:04,379 --> 01:28:00,699
know how long you want to keep talking

1943
01:28:06,029 --> 01:28:04,389
but we had an experience of multiple

1944
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:06,039
dimensions well we've actually quite a

1945
01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:07,570
few I don't know if you want to save

1946
01:28:12,419 --> 01:28:10,510
that for another episode yeah I want to

1947
01:28:14,549 --> 01:28:12,429
get into that that that gets my

1948
01:28:25,290 --> 01:28:14,559
attention when you say experiences what

1949
01:28:27,899 --> 01:28:25,300
exactly do you mean yep let's see if you

1950
01:28:29,819 --> 01:28:27,909
want to give abbreviated version sure

1951
01:28:32,609 --> 01:28:29,829
sure

1952
01:28:35,009 --> 01:28:32,619
we were in Australia once again and the

1953
01:28:37,529 --> 01:28:35,019
top places in the world are in my mind

1954
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:37,539
Peru in Australia for this phenomenon

1955
01:28:42,540 --> 01:28:40,449
but we were in Australia over March

1956
01:28:47,879 --> 01:28:42,550
first last year and one of the members

1957
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:47,889
of our group Liz Goren she back home she

1958
01:28:53,609 --> 01:28:51,130
had her rent due March 1st so she had

1959
01:28:56,009 --> 01:28:53,619
asked her acts like they shared two boys

1960
01:28:57,509 --> 01:28:56,019
so you know her ex has a key to her

1961
01:28:59,310 --> 01:28:57,519
apartment in case sometimes he has to

1962
01:29:02,299 --> 01:28:59,320
bring the boys back and stuff when she's

1963
01:29:05,250 --> 01:29:02,309
not there but she had asked her ex to

1964
01:29:07,620 --> 01:29:05,260
pay her rent while we were in Australia

1965
01:29:10,379 --> 01:29:07,630
and she said you know go into my

1966
01:29:11,459 --> 01:29:10,389
apartment on March 1st go to the top

1967
01:29:14,459 --> 01:29:11,469
dresser drawer

1968
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:14,469
and there's a checkbook and I've written

1969
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:17,489
that the rent and tear out that check

1970
01:29:22,379 --> 01:29:20,530
and go down to my landlord and give him

1971
01:29:24,959 --> 01:29:22,389
the check would you be so kind of do

1972
01:29:26,879 --> 01:29:24,969
that and he said yes so on March 1st he

1973
01:29:29,220 --> 01:29:26,889
did go into her apartment we were in a

1974
01:29:32,089 --> 01:29:29,230
strike he tore out the cheque and took

1975
01:29:34,500 --> 01:29:32,099
it down to the landlord the landlord

1976
01:29:38,370 --> 01:29:34,510
deposited in the Ukrainian credit union

1977
01:29:40,259 --> 01:29:38,380
in Toronto Ontario and she watched while

1978
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:40,269
we're in Australia on her app and saw

1979
01:29:45,390 --> 01:29:41,650
that the cheque went through and her

1980
01:29:47,879 --> 01:29:45,400
rent was paid however and I've got

1981
01:29:51,029 --> 01:29:47,889
physical proof that I can provide for

1982
01:29:53,939 --> 01:29:51,039
you guys on this with pictures when we

1983
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:53,949
got back from Australia if she had more

1984
01:29:59,640 --> 01:29:55,800
bills to pay obviously as everybody does

1985
01:30:03,810 --> 01:29:59,650
she went to her dresser drawer to get

1986
01:30:08,189 --> 01:30:03,820
the checkbook to write further checks

1987
01:30:12,419 --> 01:30:08,199
and lo and behold what was still in the

1988
01:30:15,870 --> 01:30:12,429
checkbook was that check it was still

1989
01:30:20,100 --> 01:30:15,880
there not torn out she immediately

1990
01:30:23,609 --> 01:30:20,110
called her husband and said you know did

1991
01:30:27,089 --> 01:30:23,619
you not pay the rent I see that you did

1992
01:30:30,899 --> 01:30:27,099
and it's in my app but the check is

1993
01:30:32,669 --> 01:30:30,909
still in the checkbook and my dried

1994
01:30:36,300 --> 01:30:32,679
understand what's happening he said yes

1995
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:36,310
I tore it out anyway we we have that

1996
01:30:43,080 --> 01:30:39,010
cheque we we have that physical check

1997
01:30:44,879 --> 01:30:43,090
yet we have the the copy of the cheque

1998
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:44,889
going through the banking system where

1999
01:30:51,089 --> 01:30:48,489
it was wet stamped and you know the bank

2000
01:30:54,569 --> 01:30:51,099
has provided a copy of the check we have

2001
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:54,579
blown it up the landlord wrote 308 her

2002
01:30:58,350 --> 01:30:55,840
apartment number on the bottom right

2003
01:31:00,780 --> 01:30:58,360
hand corner and that is in the copy that

2004
01:31:02,819 --> 01:31:00,790
the bank has it has the front of the

2005
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:02,829
check it has the back of the check all

2006
01:31:08,339 --> 01:31:06,730
sweat stamped and the tellers writing

2007
01:31:12,390 --> 01:31:08,349
where she has written on his account

2008
01:31:14,399 --> 01:31:12,400
number we've taken both and we've blown

2009
01:31:15,780 --> 01:31:14,409
them up and we've placed one over the

2010
01:31:17,879 --> 01:31:15,790
other in front of a window and they're

2011
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:17,889
exactly the same we've gone to

2012
01:31:23,490 --> 01:31:20,650
handwriting forensic people who have

2013
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:23,500
said it's the same cheque and it's like

2014
01:31:26,689 --> 01:31:25,449
but how could it be still in the

2015
01:31:29,069 --> 01:31:26,699
checkbook

2016
01:31:34,290 --> 01:31:29,079
we don't know we've done a lot of

2017
01:31:36,569 --> 01:31:34,300
research and it's impossible and under

2018
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:36,579
normal physics that that cheque could be

2019
01:31:39,569 --> 01:31:38,530
in the checkbook but it is it's still

2020
01:31:41,129 --> 01:31:39,579
there to this day

2021
01:31:43,740 --> 01:31:41,139
and I've got pictures that I've taken

2022
01:31:45,060 --> 01:31:43,750
with it I've got a picture of the copy

2023
01:31:48,419 --> 01:31:45,070
of the cheque that went through the

2024
01:31:50,580 --> 01:31:48,429
banking system right side by side to the

2025
01:31:52,470 --> 01:31:50,590
picture of the cheque that's still there

2026
01:31:55,319 --> 01:31:52,480
and it's exactly it's the same check the

2027
01:32:00,450 --> 01:31:55,329
same check number everything

2028
01:32:02,250 --> 01:32:00,460
it's unexplained and we've checked with

2029
01:32:05,010 --> 01:32:02,260
scientists and they've said since the

2030
01:32:06,660 --> 01:32:05,020
50s at the leading universities they've

2031
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:06,670
proposed the existence of multiple

2032
01:32:14,850 --> 01:32:10,060
dimensions and mathematically it's

2033
01:32:17,160 --> 01:32:14,860
proven well somehow we have gotten into

2034
01:32:20,610 --> 01:32:17,170
a split timeline here

2035
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:20,620
and he absolutely tore the check out he

2036
01:32:25,380 --> 01:32:23,100
absolutely gave it to the landlord who

2037
01:32:27,150 --> 01:32:25,390
physically took it to the bank

2038
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:27,160
physically presented it to the teller

2039
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:30,010
who physically stamped it with her stamp

2040
01:32:35,820 --> 01:32:33,250
and who wrote on it and it was

2041
01:32:38,790 --> 01:32:35,830
physically scanned before being

2042
01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:38,800
destroyed and the bank gave us a

2043
01:32:46,230 --> 01:32:43,050
certified true copy of the check yet

2044
01:32:49,250 --> 01:32:46,240
when you look in the checkbook it's this

2045
01:32:51,480 --> 01:32:49,260
it's the original checked it was written

2046
01:32:54,450 --> 01:32:51,490
every little inflection of her

2047
01:32:56,460 --> 01:32:54,460
handwriting is exactly the same the

2048
01:32:59,130 --> 01:32:56,470
check number is the same we even checked

2049
01:33:01,260 --> 01:32:59,140
to see if she somehow multiple

2050
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:01,270
checkbooks with the same numbers in them

2051
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:03,490
and if somehow she had written a

2052
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:06,970
duplicate check and she hadn't and we

2053
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:09,010
had the expert tell us that even if she

2054
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:11,530
did manage to get another checkbook with

2055
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:14,170
the same check numbers in them and had

2056
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:16,810
written a duplicate there's no way it

2057
01:33:23,250 --> 01:33:19,290
would be exactly the same nobody can

2058
01:33:27,300 --> 01:33:23,260
write a second check exactly the same

2059
01:33:30,930 --> 01:33:27,310
way right to the exact menu detail they

2060
01:33:34,170 --> 01:33:30,940
can't do it so there's a case of

2061
01:33:36,900 --> 01:33:34,180
multiple dimensions it's a case of split

2062
01:33:38,670 --> 01:33:36,910
timelines now if you research into the

2063
01:33:40,740 --> 01:33:38,680
internet you'll see there's many cases

2064
01:33:42,420 --> 01:33:40,750
of this kind of stuff happening we just

2065
01:33:45,660 --> 01:33:42,430
happen to be lucky enough to experience

2066
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:45,670
it for herself that sounds like the Hugh

2067
01:33:50,970 --> 01:33:47,890
Everett multiple worlds that kind of

2068
01:33:52,950 --> 01:33:50,980
thing yeah I don't know now people say

2069
01:33:54,990 --> 01:33:52,960
like we've had people on blogs say how

2070
01:33:57,930 --> 01:33:55,000
come you guys get to experience this and

2071
01:34:00,390 --> 01:33:57,940
we haven't I don't know I don't know we

2072
01:34:02,130 --> 01:34:00,400
didn't ask for it but I can tell you

2073
01:34:04,740 --> 01:34:02,140
that when you go down and you start

2074
01:34:08,370 --> 01:34:04,750
exploring this whole phenomenon more

2075
01:34:11,460 --> 01:34:08,380
things start happening to you and if you

2076
01:34:13,170 --> 01:34:11,470
ask you get and if you you go down the

2077
01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:13,180
road with an open mind in a good heart

2078
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:17,470
and are sincere and and align yourself

2079
01:34:23,550 --> 01:34:20,890
with you know benevolent beings and you

2080
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:23,560
have good intentions and you're not

2081
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:26,410
somebody that posts fake footage but you

2082
01:34:31,349 --> 01:34:28,450
you are honest about what you're doing

2083
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:31,359
and you do you know you debunk yourself

2084
01:34:37,259 --> 01:34:33,760
and you allow others to debunk you as

2085
01:34:40,349 --> 01:34:37,269
well you will experience all kinds of

2086
01:34:41,790 --> 01:34:40,359
what you guys call high strangeness I'm

2087
01:34:44,009 --> 01:34:41,800
getting now I'm getting a little of that

2088
01:34:46,349 --> 01:34:44,019
around the house these days of my work

2089
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:46,359
at working on a legit explanation or

2090
01:34:50,849 --> 01:34:49,329
we'll see how it goes there you go you

2091
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:50,859
know we'll save some more of this stuff

2092
01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:52,570
for a further interview there's lots

2093
01:34:58,199 --> 01:34:55,329
more where this comes from but and we

2094
01:35:00,060 --> 01:34:58,209
have 100% proof on it all as well and we

2095
01:35:04,829 --> 01:35:00,070
we had a lot of stuff happen on the

2096
01:35:07,049 --> 01:35:04,839
beach playa a known et hotspot and we've

2097
01:35:09,209 --> 01:35:07,059
got it documented for the the

2098
01:35:12,270 --> 01:35:09,219
documentary as well we got footage of it

2099
01:35:15,359 --> 01:35:12,280
all now folks I guess the easiest way to

2100
01:35:18,119 --> 01:35:15,369
find that the trailer on YouTube is to

2101
01:35:20,609 --> 01:35:18,129
just do go to YouTube do a search Rob

2102
01:35:22,829 --> 01:35:20,619
Freeman you see enough name to spell see

2103
01:35:25,649 --> 01:35:22,839
Evod they'll see your channel you've got

2104
01:35:27,869 --> 01:35:25,659
a hundred 25 videos up already so you've

2105
01:35:29,310 --> 01:35:27,879
got plenty of video lots of stuff that

2106
01:35:31,919 --> 01:35:29,320
that people can take a look at and then

2107
01:35:34,949 --> 01:35:31,929
the the movie people will be able to

2108
01:35:36,629 --> 01:35:34,959
watch the full film by the end of the

2109
01:35:39,299 --> 01:35:36,639
year early next year what's your

2110
01:35:40,529 --> 01:35:39,309
timeline for that yeah I would say it'll

2111
01:35:42,569 --> 01:35:40,539
be by the end of the year they'll be

2112
01:35:46,079 --> 01:35:42,579
able to find a just search making

2113
01:35:48,209 --> 01:35:46,089
contact be inspired fantastic okay Rob

2114
01:35:50,489 --> 01:35:48,219
it was great having Yann

2115
01:35:54,359 --> 01:35:50,499
thanks for getting hold of Rob and

2116
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:54,369
turning him up for us there James thanks

2117
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:56,050
so much for everything you do the work

2118
01:36:01,020 --> 01:35:58,719
on the integrity you know I'm really

2119
01:36:03,179 --> 01:36:01,030
excited to see where this goes to and

2120
01:36:04,919 --> 01:36:03,189
thanks James and thanks Frank it was an

2121
01:36:06,869 --> 01:36:04,929
absolute pleasure to be on you thanks

2122
01:36:09,869 --> 01:36:06,879
again now we'll wrap this up I'll turn

2123
01:36:12,179 --> 01:36:09,879
off the other feed and join us again

2124
01:36:14,969 --> 01:36:12,189
that when we when we're ready to roll